This is kinda attached to the other post, but anyhow I have more updates.

I left the car outside in the rain on thursday. Drove it home in the rain, parked it, cleaned it up, and went to sleep.

Woke up the next day, car didn't start. I thought "oh, must be a damp wire or something, I'll wait a bit". Well it's been 3 days now and the car still doesn't start.

Basically what happens is I put the key forward, you hear the car trying to start, the "jugajugajuga" sound, but the actual motor doesn't start.

Somebody suggested it might have been the distributor cap. Well, I took it apart today, looked at the rotor, it was fine. I blowdried the cap, it was fine. I put everything back together, car still didn't start.

I thought maybe it might be the gas. I do however have a 1/4 tank of gas still left in the car. The only other possibility I personally have is the fuel pump.

 

Turn the key forward, if you here a buzzing sound for three seconds then stop, i would say your pump is fine. Turn your key forward and hear no buzzing sound, (from the fuel tank) Fuel pump change. Get under the car and unplug the fuel pump connector and check if your getting 12 volts. Your gonna need a partner for this cause the fuel pump only comes on for three seconds. Or turn the car over will keep the pump running. The connector isd located on the front side, up above along the backseat wall. In all go to a performance shop and buy a accel fuel rail PSI gauge. That will tell uyou right away.

 

Me and Slade came to the conclusion that the fuel pump is gone...

Slade offered to come down and take a look, but I don't wanna waste his time, that is, unless he can fix the fuel pump! heh!

It seems that this stupid camaro is only giving me bills bills bills to pay! Starting to **** me off!

 

Does your "Service Engine Soon" Light come on when you turn the key!!!!???????? Come on dood.. its a simple task, and if the light doesn't turn on, then its an easy fix... I'm not stupid.

 

Man get some ***** and do it your self. All it takes is two jackstands, a jack and maybe some elbow grease. I took me all day but got it done. Two people is a good idea but get in and get dirty. I think you learn more doin it yourself and it saves a hell of alot of money. The fuel pump change is quite a bit of work, heat shields and exhuast and getting it out of the car is a chore. Make sure when you put it in everything is good. double, triple check cuase when you get it in and working, you don't want to do it again soon.

 

I already told you a dozen times, the service engine light does NOT turn on!!!!!

 

no you didn't tell him, and another thing, i beleive the light comes on when you turn your key to the on position. take it away Blanch.:hail:

 

Holy **** man, take it to someone that knows what they are looking at. If it's as mint as you let on you may not want to bugger it up any more. You should have bought a Saturn.

 

Check the ECM fuse in the engine bay beside your battery. It looks like a weather pack connector, but it's a fuse holder... Check this out. If it isn't that, then your ECM may be fried

 

hm... are you sure this could be the problem?

i'll check tomorrow... but are you sure???

 

It's understandable you're pissed at the problems you're having right off, and this is a good place for suggestions, and such...but the best way is to really get in there and check stuff out yourself. They can't know for sure what's wrong, but can only make suggestions at possible things...if you aren't too mechanically inclined (or in my case, lacking knowledge but willing to learn), then you bought the wrong breed of car. I say buy a Haynes manual and start checkin' sh|t out.

 

First off> The SES light should be on for sure if the key is in the on position. Like Nathan said listen for the fuel pump, if you hear nothing, then MOst likely it is fuel related. NO fuel pump noise: on the passenger side somewhere in the front corner( depending on who as worked on car) There is a inline fuse, orange and red wire I beleive. If this fuse is blown...no fuel pump. If fuel pump is working: Distrubutor cap may be cracked, water inside can and will crack the cap causing rough running conditions and or no start too. No SES light in On position... maybe Nathans got it right away, maybe the ECM is fried. Unfortunatly EasySPeedcamaro, there are many possabilities to this problem. Describing an electical problem can be hectic. I think you need to get some wiring diagrams and start reading and learning. Trust me you will need to know this stuff in the future. Hope this helps? And really sorry to hear of all the problems you are having with the car.

 

Do yourself a favor and sell that car and go buy a Schwinn or something, I don't think your ready for an automobile.

 

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Good one! AH don't worry Easy! get the diagrams and read! You'll figure it out. Don't give up, and be patient. Don't let anger get in your way.

 

Listen easySPEEDcamaro;

Buy a Haynes or Chilton manual.
READ IT.
Take a while and go over your car with the manual and familiarize yourself with the basic location and names of parts.

Then we can help you.

Sorry man, but when you don't know what or where the distributor is, there's not much we can do for you.

 

d00d!

i have a haynes manual, i have read it.

my ECM is brand spanking new, like 4 days old, so how can it be fried?

 

Then how come a couple days ago, you had no idea what a distributor was, what a cap and rotor was. And you had no idea where it was. i think you better read it again.

How do you know your car is getting spark.
Have you checked the fule pressure in the fule rail yet.
A fuel pressure guage from Canadian Tire isn't expensive.
Can you hear your fuel pump prime when you turn the key.
I doubt your ECM is gone, those things are fused many times over, frying an ECM is a hard thing to do.

 

i am not very familiar with the 305 TPI motor, my old camaro was a 305 TBI, and i knew everything about that one, this one is too complicated :P

 

Well, then, go out to your car, put the key in, and turn it to "on" (but don't start it)...listen for a type of humming sound, it's noticable, that'll be your fuel pump priming. No sound? Pump is dead. Report what happens when you go for a listen. It is a bit of a bitch to replace, but quite cheap when you do it yourself (opposed to a mechanic)

 

Hi......This might be a long shot but I had a similar problem. The engine light came on car would go "jugajugajuga" but motor wouldn't start. So..............just try and do this. GM cars are known for this. On the top of the steering column under the dash, you'll find the ignition switch. From the ignition switch you'll find a black rod that goes up the coloumn to the key switch. When the key is turned the rod is pulled upwards making contact with the ignition switch. what happens here is that the ignition switch works itself loose over the years and slides back thus causing the rod not to be able to contact the switch. If the switch slides too far than you won't hear a thing when the key is turned. The car is dead. If its partially loose your car will go "jugajugajuga". Oh Ya! One more thing...if this is the problem you won't hear your fuel pump at all!!!!!!!! So don't think right away it's your fuel pump just because you don't hear it. Just try this. It will take 20 minutes of your time. You won't loose a thing if you just try! I myself was scared to touch my car but like the boys here are saying, read the Haynes and Chilton manuals. They help alot.

Good luck and may the force be with you.

P.S. Remove the two panel pieces and then remove the two 13 or 15 mm bolts that hold up the steering coloumn. Once you remove these bolts the coloumn drops and you'll see the ignition switch and rod.

 

On my car, the ECM fuse is on beside the radiator by the battery, the camaro may have it in a different place, so, any camaro TPI guys here that can help easyspeed find his ECM fuse.

Oh.. and even if I am not sure this is the problem, would it hurt that much to check the fuse?

Also, I had my ECM replaced, and the first one GM got for me was defective, it started once, then the next time it just dumped a **** load of fuel in the engine.

Check the fuse, it is a single fuse in a fuse holder. I used to have a picture of it somewhere... but I no longer have it

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nblanchard
[B]On my car, the ECM fuse is on beside the radiator by the battery, the camaro may have it in a different place, so, any camaro TPI guys here that can help easyspeed find his ECM fuse.

Nate is right. I have a 305 TPI and the fuse holder is a single wire with a fuse in it that you'll find in the area around the battery and rad. This happened to me before. If that area gets soaked with water your fuse will eventually blow. Good call Nate.

If that's not the problem than try the ignition switch like I posted earlier.

 

This will help. I am pretty sure this is what Nathan is talking about. I had to pull this out off my inner fender for you Easyspeedcamaro. This is the fuse that powers your fuel pump relay and stuff. It has a orange and red wire from it. If this fuse is blown, your car will not start! IF the fuel pump isn't making noise try to find this fuse and check it. The steering coloumn switch is a possability but not probable on a car with such low kilo's. But who knows. Check the fuse, and then check all the fuses inside the car. ECM has a few 10amp fused wires, could be one of them.

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I found that one earlier today, I checked it, it was fine. I changed it just incase, but still doesn't work.

I checked all the fuses in the fuse box, they are all fine as well.

I'm not going to bother going as far as taking my steering column apart. I'm just going to get the car towed tomorrow morning and let my mechanic fix it

 

If you got fuel and spark........ this may sound stupid, but on my car, I automatically change the spark plugs.
For some reason, my car has done this twice in the last year. I put in fresh plugs and it fires right up.... Dunno why, they still look good....Weird.

 

Hey easySPEEDcamaro you owe it to yourself to check this one I'll tell you why.

I bought my Formula with 63kms on it and the ignition key was not working right either. I'd turn it just like you but nothing, dead no fuel pump prime, no ding-dings or flashig dash lights. Dead.

I had the door, trunk locks and ignition key changed on my car so the problem went away (paranoid). Somedwhere in the re & re for the steering column the problem went away. Check it out -- your mechanic will spend 10 hours to find this problem and you will pay $600-1000 in labour.

Oh yeah -- just cause the car has low kms and sat in a garage all it's life doesn't mean that you should expect that it has no issues -- they always do (mine did) otherwise the previous owner would have kept the car.

adious,
RP.

 

If your Service Engine Soon light is still not turning on when your key is on... that still means your ECM is NOT powered up, or in working order.

 

fuel pump swap with two people and a full tank of gas... half an hour

 

Hughes, put the pipe down If you can pull a gas tank in a thirdgen in half an hour, even with 2 people, you have missed your calling.

 

Half hour??? You gotta be kidding me on that... I had to do a fuel pump swap on my car... took me 4 hours to do... first was exhaust.. dumb me to choose the welded after the cat so that was a bitch... needless to say changes have been made since then...

Then the axle had to come down... then the straps on the tank were a pain... generous motors kindly sold me new ones for there oh so lovely prices... then tank came off... on my head.. ow... odd angle way to get it out too.. but finally did it... then pump swap, strainer change and getting it back in and all good...

It is not a half hour job...

You're looking at 2 hours in labor provided its mint as you say and the mechanic you got has done this before...

 

It was a rustang

 

Well gees.... a rustang, they're easy, the tanks right there, surprised they don't blow up like the Pinto's

 

gas tank in a rustang+ a pair of pneumatic shears= 30seconds.

providing you don't need the supports any more.

I would check the ignition, though if you say your car is trying to start, in that the starter is turning the engine over, is the ignition switch still a possibility?

I would crawl under your car and check for power at the fuel pump connection before you drop the tank. you'll need someone to turn the car over for you while your under it.

 

Got the car towed this morning. Towtruck driver kinda felt sorry for me (same guy as last time) and gave me a $25 discount, but it still came out to $80.

Got there, left the car, he called me 2 hours later and said car is fixed. Turned out to be the fuel pump relay!

Only cost me $60! Sweeto! I thought there was going to be another 0 on the price!

Thanks alot for all your guys help. I learned alot (I now know where the distributor cap is, the ecm fuse, etc.). Please let me remind all you that I'm only 19 (well, turning 19 on Wednesday the 24th), so don't get all pissed off when I don't know all this stuff, I'm learning myself.

SO... WHEN'S THE NEXT CRUISE? I WANNA SHOW OFF MY $10000 "****BOX" AS SOMEBODY PUT IT HEHE

 

Heheh, eat a dick, heheh :lala:

 

LOL.... still don't see why the SES light doesn't turn on

 

You know his ses light may not come on for a simple reason... the bulb is burnt lol

 

I would get that fixed then, because thats the easy way to check the codes on the ECM