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Old May 2, 2003 | 06:21 PM
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Car: 1987 iroc-z custom
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players challenge iroc???

a guy came in today and is selling a "players challenge iroc"..or so he says...

sure it has like a bagillion stickers, and such, but i dont think its true,,,then again i have no clue on what to look for...

the vin # is 1G1FP21F8JL146241

the car is grey and has like single stripe iroc rims on it...BUT...

it has headlights ..( i thought all players challenge irocs had the headlights removed)..

it has a 305 lt1 motor that has been rebuilt..and a few other tiny things that have slipped my mind...

anyways... he wants $10,000 canadian or $8500 us...gimme some ammo here... is this real...or what else do you need...
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Old May 2, 2003 | 07:28 PM
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I found some stats for ya ...............

http://members.shaw.ca/tunedportinje...on_numbers.htm



http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/d...?id=3477&cat=0

Hope this helps !!

Mark
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Old May 2, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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Does it look like this?
Attached Thumbnails players challenge iroc???-04-12-02tck75-15.jpg  
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Old May 2, 2003 | 09:36 PM
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Re: players challenge iroc???

Originally posted by iroc2nv
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it has a 305 lt1 motor that has been rebuilt..[/B]
305 LT1 engine eh?? thats a first for me.. get the RPO codes off the thing aswell and see what they say. might give you some more info..
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Old May 2, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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Does it have a cage or any evidence that it had one before.
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Old May 3, 2003 | 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by 83firebirdS/E
Does it look like this?


actually man thats the exact pic that he has...ill try and grab it from work and scan it...with all the info on it...

it looks like it may be a hoax..

oh well..thanks for the info guys


iroc2nv
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Old May 3, 2003 | 03:39 PM
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That car has been in the autotrader like 100 times iroc2nv, and last I checked he was asking under 10 in the autotrader, I think like 8 or something.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 11:25 AM
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I saw that car 2 weeks ago at spring Carlisle. He was asking I think $7500 or 8 US, but would take 10cdn. The gut said it had an original dealler installed cage. It did look legit.

The current owner does not know much if anything about the car other than it was a players challenge car. It was in good shape..but still was a race car. He know nothing about it mechanically...kind of scary. Didn't know what rear (Dana 44, 9 bolt, 7 5/8" etc) it had in it and a bunch of other things.

I like the LT1 305 as well!!!
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Old May 5, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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The LT1 305 is a very rare engine, I'd buy the car just for that alone
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Old May 5, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by zedder 1 9 9 0
The LT1 305 is a very rare engine, I'd buy the car just for that alone
Oh ya well I have the very rare LT4 305 engine... anyone wanna buy it? hahahaa
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Old May 5, 2003 | 04:11 PM
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So .....you are saying that they didn't come with some nasty motor in them ??????? Man that shoots my buddies story all to hell then LMFAO !!!!!!!! He said they came with 500 ci motors .....who was I to argue



what else did these cars have theat set them apart ....other than a roll cage ?
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Old May 5, 2003 | 04:24 PM
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Here's some info posted by Mark_ZZ3 in another thread.

Player's Ltd. GM Motorsports was a series that was run in Canada from 1986-1992 (East division in 1986-1992 and West division in 1987-1992). The race was the best sponsored series EVER in Canada. Races were at F1 tracks, Ovals. All broadcast on TV (Wide world of sports)

GM produced "purpose built" showroom stock cars for these race series. Approx. 90-100 cars were built each year in 1986-1989, and more in 1991 since 1991 contained both 1990 and 1991 race years. About 70% of the cars were camaro's and 30% were Trans Ams, although as the years progress mored Camaro's were choosen over the Trans Ams.

In 1991, there was 97 Players Challenge Camaros built. Combine that with the fact that ALL the cars had the 1LE option, makes for a pretty rare car. And it may have racing history.

What's special about your car? Here are some details (verified with GM documentation):

- Engines are built from selected components and extensive efforts were made to reduce variatsions. (IE. All cylinder heads were from the same casting batch to minimize compression ratio and flow variations, all cam lobes were contour checked, close attention was paid to piston clearances and fuel injectors were flow checked). All engines were dyno tested and those selected were within a 1% power band.
- All engines were sealed to prevent unauthorized adjustments. (Paint marks on bolts, some visable paint, others ultra violet).
- Special front struts to retain damping ability under extreme conditions. (in 1988 the teams were supplied with matching rear ones, but in 1987 they used stock components, 1989 and up they came from the factory that way)
- 1989-up rear springs were pre-selected at the factory based on track feedback
- 1989-up rear sway bar was reduced to 23mm from the 24mm due to track feedback.
- lower volume power steering pump reduced fluid temps. (same pump as 1987 but with change to serpentine.)
- 100% inspection of all cars at assembly plant
- corner weights measured and recorded to 0.1 KG for each car.
- special spare wheel assembly to clear new brakes (this became standard equipment in 1989)

Provided to, or adjusted by the teams:

- Front brakes and rear brakes were stock in 1986, but teams were allowed to use special race pads. In 1987 a front brake kit was available (corvette calipers, 12" rotors), 1988 similar front kit although this was the soon to be 1LE package, 1989-up 1LE.
- Dual dump side exhuast provided to the teams. Manufacture by Walker in Ontario. All parts carried GM part numbers. (You can still look these up at any GM dealer)
- Revised engine PROM. Optimized performance and fuel range. Special driver's aides (IE. shift light came on at 5000 instead of stock 4000-range). Fuel shut off at 5650rpm.

Interesting note from GM. Max shift points were recommended at 5200 in 1st, 5150 in 2nd, 5000 in third, and 5050 in 4th. These are based on the gear ratios, as well as engine power. GM determined these were the optimum range for the cars (based on 305 TPI, 5 speed and 3.45 gears).

I have at least 1000+ pages on the series ... more information than most people care to know.

Looks like you found a good investment.

MArk.
And here's a link to the thread
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...yers+challenge

Hope that helped for anyone interested in the information.
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 04:47 PM
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Car: 1989 Camaro-1LE
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Transmission: 5 speed (MM5, MK6)
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.73
Responding a bit late here ... but that VIN is a real Players Challenge Car.

I have spoken to the fellow who owns the car as well. It does not have the factory motor any longer, but it is indeed 1 of 71 Iroc Camaros built in 1988 for the Player's Challenge Series.

If you want to know more about the cars/series, let me know. I'm full of tons of useless stats and history ... :-)

Mark.
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