TPI Tuned Port Injection discussion and questions. LB9 and L98 tech, porting, tuning, and bolt-on aftermarket products.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Oil Temp sender location

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 7, 2013 | 12:24 PM
  #1  
Msaby's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Oil Temp sender location

I have a 91 chevy 305 TPI, I would like to install a VDo oil temp gauge. I am unsure as to where to install the OIL temp sensor for an accurate reading or which OIL temp sensor I need to purchase. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Mike
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2013 | 02:09 PM
  #2  
TFS355S10's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Car: Today? 98 GMC Sonoma
Engine: Seriously? The Sonoma has a TPI 305
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 7.625/4.10
Re: Oil Temp sender location

An oil temp sender needs to be in the oil pan.
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2013 | 05:10 PM
  #3  
Msaby's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Can I replace the oil drain plug with the sensor? If i can install the sensor in place of the drain plug, any idea the thread size of the oil pan.

Thanks
Mike
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2013 | 08:21 PM
  #4  
vetteoz's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,736
Likes: 14
From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by TFS355S10
An oil temp sender needs to be in the oil pan.
The factory oil temp sender on Vettes is fitted in the oil gallery port above the oil filter so it shows the true temp of the oil in the engine

Reply
Old Apr 8, 2013 | 01:44 AM
  #5  
TFS355S10's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Car: Today? 98 GMC Sonoma
Engine: Seriously? The Sonoma has a TPI 305
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 7.625/4.10
Re: Oil Temp sender location

I didn't know vettes had an oil temp gauge, but then I haven't been around 'em much either.... LOL

Not saying it isn't a temp sending unit, but that sender sure looks like a oil pressure sending unit. Other than being shorter, the metal body part is the same shape, (socket wise), and the electrical plug in looks to be the same shape as an oil sending unit.
My 89 TPI 305, (Trans Am), has the oil pressure sender in that location but the sending unit itself is considerably longer.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2013 | 03:57 AM
  #6  
vetteoz's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,736
Likes: 14
From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by TFS355S10
that sender sure looks like a oil pressure sending unit.
the metal body part is the same shape, and the electrical plug in looks to be the same shape as an oil sending unit. .
Pic is of a 3rd Gen to show the location.Vettes have all the oil switches / senders behind the dist leaving
that port free for the oil temp sender

Originally Posted by TFS355S10
the sending unit itself is considerably longer.
There have been a multitude of different style / configuration oil units for GM cars
http://www.motorcityreman.com/generalmotors14.html

FYI
81-89 1 wire oil temp unit
https://pontiworld.com.au/usgmsp/pro...388e04a895fe8f


90 -96 units have 3 wires for feedback to the ECM to calculate the "change oil " light

Reply
Old Apr 8, 2013 | 11:33 AM
  #7  
TFS355S10's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Car: Today? 98 GMC Sonoma
Engine: Seriously? The Sonoma has a TPI 305
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 7.625/4.10
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Ah, I see now.

I'd never seen that short style 3 wire press sending unit. Mine has the huge long one. But I see the short one came on the Berettas too, and it just so happens I have one of those sitting in the driveway getting ready to go to scrap. LOL I'll have to look at the sending unit in it before it leaves, just to test fit it in my truck. I need all the room I can get... LOL

Good info vetteoz.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2013 | 12:21 PM
  #8  
Johnny Blaze's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,449
Likes: 5
From: Charlestown, IN
Car: 1971 Camaro
Engine: 427
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by vetteoz
The factory oil temp sender on Vettes is fitted in the oil gallery port above the oil filter so it shows the true temp of the oil in the engine

I thought that was the oil pressure switch for the fuel pump.

Why would vettes have an oil temp sending unit? Does it tell the computer something, is there a gauge?

Not doubting you, I have no experience with vettes, just curious.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2013 | 05:23 PM
  #9  
vetteoz's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,736
Likes: 14
From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by Johnny Blaze
Why would vettes have an oil temp sending unit? is there a gauge?
Yes

Originally Posted by Johnny Blaze
Does it tell the computer something,
As noted above , on '90 + cars the ECM uses the oil temp as part of it's calculations for displaying the "Change Oil" light

Originally Posted by Johnny Blaze
I thought that was the oil pressure switch for the fuel pump..
As noted , always mounted behind the dist on C4's, not above the filter as done on 3rd Gens
Pre '88 cars had a separate pump switch and gauge sender; later cars had the large 3 wire combined unit shown


Reply
Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:41 AM
  #10  
Johnny Blaze's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,449
Likes: 5
From: Charlestown, IN
Car: 1971 Camaro
Engine: 427
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Thanks for the info! I never knew!
Reply
Old May 19, 2013 | 08:12 PM
  #11  
nickynick17's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.91
Re: Oil Temp sender location

So for a firebird owner, could it be possible to put a T-fitting where the oil pressure sender is and also hook up the oil temp sender unit?
Reply
Old May 19, 2013 | 08:48 PM
  #12  
vetteoz's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,736
Likes: 14
From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by nickynick17
could it be possible to put a T-fitting where the oil pressure sender is and also hook up the oil temp sender unit?
Anything is possible but you would get a more accurate temp reading with the sender directly into the flow of the oil gallery of the block ;
not standing outboard in the breeze ( cooling off ) on a T fitting
Reply
Old May 19, 2013 | 09:02 PM
  #13  
Tuned Performance's Avatar
Sponsor
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Community Favorite
iTrader: (94)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 16,740
Likes: 994
From: Mile High Country !!!
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by nickynick17
So for a firebird owner, could it be possible to put a T-fitting where the oil pressure sender is and also hook up the oil temp sender unit?
Go to the hardware store and get some 1/8 npt fittings.
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 08:42 PM
  #14  
nickynick17's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.91
Re: Oil Temp sender location

This is a good point haha, one more thing since vettes have the oil pressure switch mounted on the back of the block near the distributor, what does that port do for f-body applications? or is it just blocked off?
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 08:54 PM
  #15  
rawley2's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt posi 3.23
Re: Oil Temp sender location

MY GTA has the oil pressure sender behind the distributor. When I changed my motor mounts I knocked the wire off getting the motor high enough and my gauge quit working.
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 08:59 PM
  #16  
nickynick17's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.91
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Hmmm thats interesting because on my Formula the oil pressure sender is located just above the oil filter
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 09:01 PM
  #17  
rawley2's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt posi 3.23
Re: Oil Temp sender location

I do have the oil cooler (warmer) on my car so maybe that has something to do with it.

I should also add mine just has one wire with a spade connector. If I remember correctly I think the wire was orange.
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 09:03 PM
  #18  
nickynick17's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.91
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Hmmm maybe because its a GTA and they had more options
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 09:11 PM
  #19  
rawley2's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt posi 3.23
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Dont know but I do have a digital dash if that means anything.
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 09:14 PM
  #20  
nickynick17's Avatar
Junior Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.91
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Yeah probably, since the vettes had digital dashes they used oil temp to let the computer know when to flash the "change the oil" light on the dash
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:13 AM
  #21  
vetteoz's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,736
Likes: 14
From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by nickynick17
since the vettes had digital dashes they used oil temp to let the computer know when to flash the "change the oil" light on the dash
Only for '90 +
The all C4's had a standalone oil temp gauge as I noted above
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 08:41 AM
  #22  
rawley2's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt posi 3.23
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by vetteoz
Only for '90 +
The all C4's had a standalone oil temp gauge as I noted above
I think what we are getting out of this is we have 2 places to tap in for oil pressure or temp.

I know all the earlier SBC pulled the pressure from behind the distributor like my 87 is.

You can use a T for pressure and put your temp in the other place. Just don't block the passage off by putting it to deep!!
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 07:30 AM
  #23  
vandev1's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
From: Tucson, AZ
Car: 1985 Trans Am
Engine: swapped 350 TPI
Transmission: MD8 - 700R4
Axle/Gears: GW6 - 3.27 ratio
Re: Oil Temp sender location

My '85 GTA with a 350 swapped for the original 305 has the oil pressure sender (single spade connector) behind the distributor going to the rally gauges. I'm not sure if there is an oil temp sender or where that signal would go on my car. I replaced the oil pressure sender when I bought the car and the dash gauge magically started working. Simplest fix I've done so far.

Side note, the rally temperature gauge goes to the cylinder head temp sender on the block (forward driver's side) above the exhaust manifold. Look for the cracked/melted (green?) wire.

Now I'm curious if I have another disconnected sensor hiding somewhere... The block temp seems to get warm on those summer hauls up out of the 120* heat of Phoenix with the A/C going full blast to stay alive. I've been contemplating adding an oil cooler to help her beat the heat on the highway. Knowing the oil temp would be useful and feed my OCD need to know exactly what my engine is doing at all times.
Reply
Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:00 AM
  #24  
Msaby's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Re: Oil Temp sender location

I ended up installing the sensor in the oil pan and it works perfectly
Thanks
Mike
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2017 | 09:38 AM
  #25  
Ozz1967's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,795
Likes: 15
From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by Msaby
I ended up installing the sensor in the oil pan and it works perfectly
Thanks
Mike
Older post, but could you throw up a picture of where you installed it? or did you just install it in the oil plug location?
Reply
Old Oct 26, 2017 | 04:05 PM
  #26  
Twin_Turbo's Avatar
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 5,364
Likes: 51
From: Enschede, Netherlands
Car: 82 TA 87 IZ L98 88 IZ LB9 88 IZ L98
Engine: 5.7TBI 5,7TPI 5.0TPI, 5,7TPI
Transmission: T5, 700R4, T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08, 3.27, 3.45, 3.27
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Here's how I did it. Mech gauge btw


https://photos.app.goo.gl/tpxoWTbEsRTkCs0H3
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2020 | 12:04 AM
  #27  
Hawkeye1980's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 71
From: New York
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Stock
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo
Here's how I did it. Mech gauge btw


https://photos.app.goo.gl/tpxoWTbEsRTkCs0H3
Hey Twin_Turbo. I am going to put in a mech. oil temp gauge in my bird. Its an Autometer. The tube that looks bolted to your oil pan, looks like a white plastic seal...where did you get that please? thanks
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2020 | 04:42 PM
  #28  
Twin_Turbo's Avatar
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 5,364
Likes: 51
From: Enschede, Netherlands
Car: 82 TA 87 IZ L98 88 IZ LB9 88 IZ L98
Engine: 5.7TBI 5,7TPI 5.0TPI, 5,7TPI
Transmission: T5, 700R4, T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08, 3.27, 3.45, 3.27
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Regular replacement oil drain washer seal
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2020 | 10:26 PM
  #29  
Hawkeye1980's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 71
From: New York
Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Stock
Re: Oil Temp sender location

Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo
Regular replacement oil drain washer seal
NICE Thanks for getting back to me. Thats what I will to. But what is the part coming out of the pan please? Looks like a metal drain neck (for lack of a better description on my part)
Reply
Old Oct 19, 2020 | 01:22 PM
  #30  
Twin_Turbo's Avatar
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 5,364
Likes: 51
From: Enschede, Netherlands
Car: 82 TA 87 IZ L98 88 IZ LB9 88 IZ L98
Engine: 5.7TBI 5,7TPI 5.0TPI, 5,7TPI
Transmission: T5, 700R4, T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.08, 3.27, 3.45, 3.27
Re: Oil Temp sender location

I fabbed it myself.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
aammcc
Tech / General Engine
1
Jan 20, 2010 04:54 AM
nascarfan7
Tech / General Engine
4
Dec 25, 2009 07:39 PM
BenDoe91z28
DIY PROM
2
Sep 11, 2005 09:56 PM
EvilCartman
Tech / General Engine
11
Dec 24, 2003 11:40 AM
Bunker82
Cooling
1
Jul 23, 2002 12:05 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:25 AM.