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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 11:03 AM
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Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

I have an 89 Formula 305 TPI with AC. I want to remove the smog pump and heard I will need to replace the serpentine belt with a different size. Does anyone know what size or have a part # for the right belt? Thanks!
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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 02:16 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

Have you searched ? multiple posts on this ? Using a grooved or flat bypass pulley or without?
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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 02:32 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

I want to do it without using a bypass pulley. I did a search and 2 different people were giving 2 different answers on the size of the belt. I just want to make sure I get the right one.
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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 02:44 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

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Have you searched ? multiple posts on this ? Using a grooved or flat bypass pulley or without?


LOL... was thinking the same. I did mine over a decade ago using TGO... search function!
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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 02:46 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

So if you have 2 different length how different ate they in length?
can always use a old belt and make a mark and measure it.

https://www.thirdgen.org/serpentine/
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Old Feb 14, 2024 | 02:59 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

Yes there are 2 different and it all depends on the Harmonic Balancer Pully size. Apparently GM used 2 different sizes through the years. I can't remember the belt sizes but IIRC its only 1" shorter than the original.
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

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I have an 89 Formula 305 TPI with AC. I want to remove the smog pump and heard I will need to replace the serpentine belt with a different size. Does anyone know what size or have a part # for the right belt? Thanks!
Alright!

I'm going to try answering from memory and notes. Do your own due and diligence.

For an '89 LB9, the stock belt with A/C is 94.5in (example: Dayco 5060945). That is with OEM accessories with no underdrive pulleys or any other sort of hack.
The "by-pass" belt is 96.8" (example Dayco 5060968). It needs to be routed differently than OEM. Should not be to hard to find how with simple research on TGO... but see picture below.

FYI, with underdrive pulleys, Hypertech Power pulleys for example, you need 93.5in to by-pass.

1988 is different OEM set-up but same by pass belt

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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

https://www.thirdgen.org/serpentine/

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...ml#post5988617
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

96.5 IIRC
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Old Apr 11, 2024 | 09:56 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

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96.5 IIRC
Hello, I am new to this forum and am looking for some info. I purchased a 1991 Z convertible last year and am in the process of eliminating the A.I.R. system. So far I've removed all the plumbing, just so I can access the sparkplugs. With the system being removed, what adjustments must I make in order to have the O2 sensor and ECM happy so as not to get a leaner signal to the injectors, now that the AIR tubes are removed from the exhaust manifolds and plugged?
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RJ
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

You might not notice a difference but it can be turned off in tuning to prevent the ecm from adding 1mv value to o2 reading.
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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 09:13 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

On a 1988 Iroc Z 5.7L TPI the belt size is Dayco part # 935K6, (I used a Continental Brand equivalent to that part #) that is a 96.8" 6 rib belt, that is with removing the A.I.R pump and not putting a delete pump/pulley in (why would you add another device with a potential bearing that could fail/cause noise/create drag/cost more).
Factory routing remains the same, its quick and easy.
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You can always do the string trick.
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

Pretty sure this is the belt I used, 88’ L98 with no AIR pump and no delete pulley. It’s been on for a few years with no problems.


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Old Apr 18, 2024 | 02:14 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

Whatever was recommended here was a tad too short. I had to forced it on there with a screwdriver pry bar. Wish I had 1/4" longer.; But I am loving the way the car runs without the AIR pump, and I'm especially loving the spark plug access.
Engine bay is so much cleaner, and the computer doesn't know the difference.
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

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Whatever was recommended here was a tad too short. I had to forced it on there with a screwdriver pry bar. Wish I had 1/4" longer.; But I am loving the way the car runs without the AIR pump, and I'm especially loving the spark plug access.
Engine bay is so much cleaner, and the computer doesn't know the difference.
when the air pump is commanded on the ecm adds to the o2 mv to compensate for the air going past the o2. The ecm does know
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Old Apr 21, 2024 | 09:53 PM
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Re: Serpentine Belt Size Smop Pump Removal

Originally Posted by Tuned Performance
when the air pump is commanded on the ecm adds to the o2 mv to compensate for the air going past the o2. The ecm does know
My understanding is that the AIR is cold loop operation only. So it doesn't care what the o2mV says. and my car now runs great with the stock prom, no AIR.
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