SlowCamaro88SC

are they any different?? govenor springs? anything? both are for a '88 2.8l v6. When my tranny blew up it was replaced w/ a 700R4 from a S10. The casing and sunshells are s10 (including gov. springs etc.) but the internals are basically B&M parts w/ a shift kit that was included. The torque convertor is a TCI 3200 RPM stall speed torque convertor.

Ok now that you all know what's in it, here's my prob....

The shifts are really soft, like the car slowly brings it self down from 5200 to 3800 from the 1 to 2 shift. Now real slow, but you could say "1 1000" before it actually got into gear good.

The 2-3 WOT shift doesn't exist. I have to let down to 3/4 throttle or less before it will shift.

it launches really well, @ 3200 RPM with a bit of wheelspin.

I know the kid f*'ed up when he rebuilt it, but does anybody actually know what he did.

other things:
a neutral drop (I know, i know) doesn't exist, like I said it doesn't exist, I tried it once on the new tranny to see how bad he f*'ed up, and if I do that, the R's go down like the 1-2 shift and it "catches" (maybe that's the word) then makes the slightest bark (wheelspin) then goes, but it should immediately go.

the shifts are like a REALLY casual shift in a stickshift car. the only solid shift is the one into 4th and lockup, but that's only because you feel the convertor locking.

Adjusting the TV cable doesn't help at all...

Oh and by the way, the 1-2 shift is a tranny (computer?) forced shift... no matter what that car will shift @ 5200 EVERYTIME. The car should shift @ 6000, but It has yet to do that w/ the new tranny. this tranny has been in since july and has maybe 5000 miles on it. I just thought eventually it would break in, but that's not gonna happen...

someone help!!!!

I thought govenor springs maybe? but it can't be..

Later,
Dan

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SlowCamaro88SC

c'mon guys..... TTT

SlowCamaro88SC

anyone?

TomP

I could see the governor springs/weights being different for a truck 700r4 vs a Camaro 700r4, but I think that'd be the only difference. I don't see though, how the governor would affect the "delay" between shifts.

Could that 3200 RPM stall convertor be killing you? 3200 RPM sounds pretty loose for a 2.8 to handle.


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SlowCamaro88SC

ahhh. tomp comes to my rescue, but tom, wouldn't you thing the 3200 TC would mate well to the 2.8's "powerband?" I don't think it would be too loose for the motor. the cold is killing the car anyway. it's been running like crap the last 3 days or so. hesitates and picks up real slow, like it's missing, unless it's floored (WOT)

TomP

You want the motor to get that high of an RPM before it moves? Heck, guys with streetable v8's usually don't go past 2500 or so with torque convertors... check out some of the sigs. Most v8's have a high-rpm powerband like the v6's, too.


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SlowCamaro88SC

BTW the convertor isn't that large, therefore the motor can handle it. that's why it's ok. tom, what do you think?

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TomP

Well, I told you what I think... I think the torque convertor has too high of a stall speed for the low HP of the 2.8. Make a new message about torque convertors; see what the other guys say. I never much looked into them, but I don't remember many people going above 2500-2700 RPM for a stall. The HP of an engine has an effect on a stall ratio too; heh, like I said, I'm not sure. This was just my wild-*** -guess on your problem.


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Blade

If it shifts THAT high it might be because either you have the wrong governor with too heavy weights... or the governor gets stuck or IS stuck. My 700R4 did that right before it died because the governor got full of debris from burning clutches and it would only shift at like 5000 or so.

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Big454blockchevy

TomP is right as far as the stall converter. Heck I have a 72 Chevy Nova witha 454 big block and the stall converter is a 2500. The tranny in this Nova is that from a Z28. It has a homemade shift kit for extra firm shifts that will snap your head back. It will definitelly spill your hot coffee on your lap. My wife does not like how it shifts but I do, especially knowing that firm shifts actually help reduce the wear on your tranny.

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SlowCamaro88SC

blade this is a v6 motor and trans. The first gear shifts are too early, and the 2 to 3 shift never happens @ WOT. The car hasn't lost any speed though. The other day I took it to around 130-135. ON a long flat wide stretch of road. My friend was in his IROC ahead of me, and we both have the 145 mph speedos, so this is the truth. I was never able to get my car up that high before. Must be the 275/60/15's on back. Maybe the hi-po parts enables it to have a higher top speed?
Well it's too late to ditch the TC. It's been in since july, and I barely have enough money to afford insurance.

SlowCamaro88SC

BTW, how come nobody told my that the convertor would be too loose back in may and june, when I was pondering getting a 2800-3200 RPM stall tc?