I happened upon this website while researhing availible V6 performance parts about two weeks ago. What I've noticed here is that alot of talk in these forums are from young people who read articles and, I feel, interpret information to others on what they think they've read and not lifes experiences (actually doing it)!

Please don't try to act the part. People write into this forum looking for honest and expert/ or proven imput. Their own cars and money are not a game of craps to them.

Just think for a second before you reply to a thread, "Will this really help this person or is this just another opinion".

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If everyone had the same opinion, we'd all drive the same car.

 

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P.S. I can wrench.

 

Then I wasn't talking about you. Get a clue.

 

I know about 3 guys at the shop I take my car to .They have NEVER worked on a car . 99.9% In the past when I did not do much work on my car when I took my car in there and said 'what do you think it is ?" 99.9 % of the time they were right and exactly right . My point is , you can know your $hit about cars and not know how to work on them . But , I dont think its right when people get on here and "try to tell people " how to wrench on it and fix it when they have never done it .

 

I agree with you BUT ...
I have seen some of the best people (wrenchheads) give out info. that wasn't 100% accurate - And some of the want'a bees, "Just unplug the wires to your oil pump if you want to burn up your engine" !!!!!!?

There is an old saying " Free advice is worth what you pay for it ."


I like to see the young guys that don't have much experience under the hood - do a project and succeed. It not only helps them now, but it will pay off later in life - even when they get their car worked on - if they know a few things, maybe they wont get ripped off. In the end it makes our Sport/Hobby better for all of us.
Maybe Thirdgen.org should post a notice on the Mast Head -

SO WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS IN THE V6 Forum ????
It will be gone in a few days - maby you should e-mail the web master?

BUT you can't police everybody and still have free speech -
It's deep water and anybody taking Free advice or candy from strangers had better beware!

 

That is very well said man . How true !
:lala: <---- he's waiting for this to get locked !

 

............. This is a message board. Not the society of automotive engineers. Obviously there will be BS spewed, there's nothing you can do about it.

Everybody has the same car and we all share our own personal experiences. Sometimes a suggestion might cure one car but not one with a similar problem. Deal with it.

-Edited for content. Don't want anyone to get their panties in a bunch.

 

some of you new people really need to shape up your ****-poor attitudes already

i'm really tired of this stuff

 

I have to aggree with 1991tealRSt-topGuy!

Many times when pepole are on the phone or on a message board they feel no need for manners. Try treating pepole as you would in person!

 

what is good for the goose is good for the gander teal, YOU stop being so negative.

 

****-poor - I like that word ! I guess ya learn something new on here all the time eh ?

 

Anybody need some boots ? I think the is getting deep in here .

 

save a pair for me wayne

 

Wrenchheads right 90% of the time, Rookies right 10% of the time. Ill trust more the wrenchhead.

I was wrong in my last post. I am talking about guys like you.

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you know how many times i talked to pro-mechanics at the dealer i work at and they were WRONG..........

oh *** know!!!!!!!!!!!that goes against your 90% figure

to be honest i was gonna be really mean and angry in this post

but i think i'll just ask you to keep the stereotypical figuring in your own head and not corrupt "rookies" minds with it on here

 

And what has been proven so far.
Some right some wrong.
Oh well.
I mean it is your car & your $$.
Take the advice offer and put the words together,
UNDER YOUR OWN HOOD.
Yes, sometimes, what works for one doesn't for another.
Oh well.
Like I guarantee, that my advice for a 2.8-.3.4 swap IN YOUR RIDE is gonna gain you the same results I have stated in my past posts?
NO WAY.
A swap is a custom job.
Every/any one can make up their own swap rules.
I can only offer "knowledge" from my sources (past mistakes, my 2 swap jobs of 2.8->3.4 & old car magazines).
I'm still surprised I've made over 3000 posts!
BUT THE ATTITUDE OF SOME newbies, is rather discouraging and sad.
Hope those newbies wake up and join us or leave us.

 

From what I've read from you in other posts, you're one of the good ones KED85. (you can pay me later for that compliment )

 

Thanks
99% of EVERYONE HERE IS REALLY GREAT, FUN & INFORMATIVE. Every once in a while we all screw up & goof, too.
But lately some newbies really......
It's much more fun to be constructive then destructive.
I'd rather hear about someone finding a new way to "cheat" on a repair job then hear about how fast they want to go & how slow their car is.
Face it
V-6 is a RUNT of an engine
60* V-6 WAS DESIGNED BACK IN THE LATE 70'/EARLY 80's.
Wasn't the best of times in Detroit for power/gas/emissions/foreign car invasion/recession.
PLUS we have a heavy framed vehicle compared to the foreigners.
ALL these details make a difference.
Then add to the mix, your mechanic skills, your tools (lack of, too!), your previous owners taking care of your current ride, etc...
Add it up & you will have one hell of a great time here at the 3rd gen board.
One reason why I refer people to certain books, wrecking yard visits, etc, is it's WAY CHEAPER & EASIER to destroy someone else car (to understand a part put on the car engine, etc).
And a picture may help you seeing the answer, too.
I always say RESEARCH the answers, here, to see how they work best for you too.
I refer to your purchase of the GM Performance Parts book ($6!!), the V-6 60* section.
Beside, again the folks here are way excellent people.
I like hangin out here

 

This may help clear things here.
I have been a mechanic for 15 or so years. I have worked on cars , boats, heavy equiptment and etc. There are so called rookies in this group that know alot more about the f-bodies than I do.
Plain and simple reason I have to focus my attention to a variety of different engine makes , This is what they focus on and do the research on all the time. I think its great ! They may not be able to turn a wrench but they have done their homework which makes my job much easier.
I have seen a couple bogus posts , but for the most part they are pretty accurate . Its up to the mechanic to know the difference.
Whether they are good at reading books or turning a wrench ,you cant have one without the other.

SO KEEP ON POSTING

 

This is free advice with a bunch of cool guys . I can't think of any of you guys around here that has not been helpfull in atleast one way to some other member on here . Sometimes I sign on here and think " gosh this is so great where I can come on here and ask questions on how to fix my car and Help other members for FREE , totally free , when some other sites you have to pay . Not only is it free , BUT WOW , we have some mechanics on here , you know who you guys are !

I don't mean everyone , and I don't mean alot of you , but there are some that are not Thankfull for what its worth . I wonder if Dirk has ever been thanked for providing us with this site .I know he has ads which pay for cost , but its alot more work than that .


Being a mechanic is not rocket science . Although , its not a cakewalk either . But a person can work on a car and not be an "expert" . IF you are a newbie and your looking for true "Expert knowledge" from every post , maybe your looking at the wrong board .Yes we do have some "experts" , mechanics on the board , but some certified mechanics arent even "true experts" I myself am certainly no expert , but I have read in books and magazines on how to fix my car , and have told others what might be wrong with there car , and ya know what ? maybe I wasn't right , maybe I was , but I gave that person an areau to look in . And many times I was right or atleast gave that person who had no clue where to start and areau to look for the problem . And I have helped plenty of guys on here , not as much as some other guys though ! you guys know who you are !.. We are just a bunch of cool guys learning and offering what we learned .Some are experts or mechanics . We are offering our help for free . And I've gained alot from this board . I have even seen mechanics not know what was wrong with there cars and they received help from others .This board isn't the board , We are the board , We make up the board ! I think you should think before you waltz up in here and say " hey , how good is your free advice ? , b/c my car and money is not a game of craps ".If your that serious about your car , and dont want to make mistakes and learn from them . You prabably need to sign off and drive your car straight to the shop . Sence you questioned our "knowledge " I dont even know why you waltzed on up in here and made that tacky post .Then smarted off to one of our members . Please , people this is OUR board , we all make this site up , if you don't like it , don't come in and be a part of us and ridicule us . Thankyou .
Wayne

 

BRAVO Wayne
Well Put !!!!!!!!
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Thankyou

 

very well put wayne, to be honest with you, i don't know half of what other members on this board know. There are guys that can truely amaze me as to their vast knowledge of the third generation f-bodies, and that's a very respectable thing. I personally have been able to take my car to my lisenced mechanics, knowing 99% of what the true problem is, prior to ever going into the shop, and i owe that thanx to this board, and to the members who provided me with the information. I've also learned things aobut my car, and thirdgens in general i might have never even guessed existed prior to coming onto this board. It's taken me from being a young and stupid 16 year old, to a young and somehwat less stupid 19 year old, who's learned to respect a vehicle, what parts to put into my transmission, how to fix the tranny mounts, and what's needed so i didn't get ripped off when taking my car to mechanics. All of these things are very very good, and meaningful to me, so i say to all of you THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A GREAT BOARD!!! as far as wrench turning, i'm no master mechanic, wouldn't claim to be, wouldn't say i am, and no one would say that either, but i've done my fair share of homework, know my engine decently well (still not as well as some mind you) but can provide some level of acceptable information to the board.Oh, and by the way, although i'm not a mechanic, for my major in aviation (pro. pilot) i've taken courses in engine theory, electronics, and basic mechanics, but i'm still no expert on everything, but who is?

 

To the cali guy, here a good case in point. You yourself admitted you fell victim to, and I quote you from another forum, "You'll never get a solid answer.", and went on to say how you wasted $230 on a part you wish you hadn't purchased. Actually, If I should dare compliment you, your post was a great example of what poeple should say when they talk about a part. Unfortunatly nobody gave you that same advice before you bought the part. I'm a moral person in life and was simply asking a few, again only a few others in this camaro forum area (was not an attack on the entire board) to possibly list, when I stated "proven imput", pros and cons on a product they strongly back. Don't just say "Nike's are better than Reebok's", give reasons or facts as to why.

Then you come in with a big f****** chip and say, "um ok...Ps I can wrench. I NEVER SAID YOU COULDN'T, so when I said get a clue I ment it, get a clue that this isn't a stab at you. The adage I used is from an oldschool quote, " Its one thing to read about it and another to do it!" It hits the pocket book when done wrong.
That doesn't imply either that reading is bad. We all had to read to get to a mechanics statis.
Im sorry to those I unintentionally offended. It was not my intent. I am new around here and will be around just long enough to find out the outcome of cam hunters headers. I now realise their is more people on top of the few wiseguys that snicker buy this brand-dont buy that brand, its the flavor of the month.
Again just being a moral person and giving a headsup to those that are vulnerable.(obviously a bad idea, why? I'll never understand).

 

One thing about it - AFrikinGoodTime - your post really sturred up some great comments, (I didn't know you guys could write like that!).
There plenty of other boards out there, Check'm (& not just the GM cars - check mustang & dodge etc.) You'll find that this is one of the BEST.
And we should thank Dirk and the sponsors, for letting us do it.

 

Well, I fall into the 50/50 category on this topic. I wrench on, clean, detail, improve, etc. most of the things by myself. However, I do send my car to a shop when necessary. My friend is an ASE certified mechanic at a dealership and on thursday nights we usually meet up after hours to take care of various repairs/enhancements that are easier to do at the shop then at home. If we cannot figure out what the problem is using his knowledge and mine then I send it to a shop and pay the repair $$. The last time I did this resulted in a $400 bill for new injectors. I was at the end of my rope and it took the shop a month to find the problem. I felt it saved me from going insane and was worth what I paid for.

 

Well, this message is a hell of a way to make yourself known; congrats.

You say people write messages here looking for honest and expert/proven imput (sic); implying that basically, if you're not 100% right, then don't reply to a technical question.

Then, you say, if everyone had the same opinion, we'd all drive the same car. Isn't an opinion based on honest and expert/proven input?

So, that seems like a contradiction to me. A vaccum leak might cause the car to stall when it starts up, and an exhaust leak might do the same thing. Does that mean if I say "Check for exhaust leaks", and it was a vacuum leak, that I'm incorrect, and should keep my mouth shut?

When something goes wrong with my car, I want to hear every possible opinion. Wouldn't you? It's usually easy to tell the difference between a random "incorrect" guess (car stalls? Check the shocks, if the car bounces too much, it shakes the engine) and a guess that might be accurate.

There's BS'ers all over the place, and if it's that upsetting, you don't have to come to this website. That's not a flame; I've done the same thing from time to time. And this isn't really technical; you could probably start up a hell of a discussion at http://www.nethirdgen.org !

 

I'll try to make the post clear for a third time. I never stated you need to be 100% right or to shut up. An "expert Opinion" can be someone who has an AFTERMARKET PRODUCT on their car and, whether they installed it, or somebody else installed it, can still give you 1st hand knowledge on the pros and cons of it. I would think most people have drivin their car before and after and would know.
As to a question about why a car could stall, I think any imput form anyone is good. The more info one can collect, some, take with a grain of salt, others compile a census and one can usually come to a sencible conclusion. My intenet of my post was not directed towards this. It IS directed towards people who fall under the the spell of false advetising in magazines. (example: ramair= +20 hp/ catback= +25hp/ crank pully= +15hp/ignition box= +20hp. these poor people that don't know, buy these things thinking by bolting them on they will gain 80 hp and that is bs onthe ads behalf. Iwas just saying if people who have actually used it, tell about it, not people who only read the ads.

Sorry again for the confusion

 

Oh!! Okay, sorry, you're right, I misunderstood your message. And with that, I totally agree with you. That's why I never estimate the horsepower when someone says "I have these mods, what HP am I putting out?" And when someone asks me about HP for a muffler, I tell them 5 hp. K&N? 3 HP, mainly because it's a clean filter replacing a dirty one.

 

I tell people to feel their pants.
IF they feel a HORSEPOWER gain in their pants, they did pretty darn good.

 

anyone that takes what they read in a magazine as a true fact, then they've got more problems. The issue isn't in "false" advertisement, but it's the truth, just how you interpert it. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that a catback exaust system will gain 25 hp, but on what? an exaust system behind a 454 big block engine, with a 800cfm carberator, ported heads with valve job, half inch race cam, and 11.5:1 compression, that at the moment was running stock manifolds and 2.25 in piping all the way back. Then at the bottom of the add, it'd say, Headers also added, and they use a 3" catback. Reading to get ideas on horsepower addon's isn't all wrong, you just gotta understand what it is that you're reading. remember, the educated consumer is the most dangerous one. :d

 

Sounds like we're all friends now. I must admit I could have phrased my headline a little more careful. But you all must admit you had AFrikinGoodTime bitchen at me.