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Old Jun 1, 2002 | 02:22 AM
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Car: 89 f-bird and some others
Engine: 3.4
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air intake plans for now, pictures soon

I got some pipes and I'm working on routing them for now. The radiator hose is in the way, but I can fit past it. Gonna have to take the bracket off that holds that airbox thing and the radiator hose inplace. I doubt the hose is going anywhere anyway.

the MAS tube has that bend in it. I was thinking about sawing the bend part off which will make it easier to work with depending where I place it and would let the air flow straight through it instead of going through that sharp curve first.

Then just need to drill a hole and screw the air temp sender (that is the other one in the filter box right?) in the new pipe.

And so once I get all that done I'll know what size filter to get to go on the pipe, since I'm not sure if the filter might get connected to the MAS or if there'll be some pipe between them. I'll figure that out today.

After all that I'll isolate the filter area from the rest of the engine bay. Later maybe I'll work on the ram air setup using the foglight holes and routing them up through the fender to the filter, but for now I'm just trying to get the free flowing setup built.

I might have some pictures to post today of it if all goes as planned. (but it never does does it)
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Old Jun 1, 2002 | 07:50 AM
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Ok I'll probably post them tomorrow. Gotta do other stuff for now.
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Old Jun 1, 2002 | 11:05 AM
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Go to hardware stor.
You want a RUBBER CONNECTOR for the air box DIRECTLY to the MAF. Currently, I am using duct/racers tape for this purpose.
I then use dryer heat exiting hose for the connection under the rad hose (I have your pass side hose also!).
I found a 90* perfct fit bend at a swap meet for $1.
I hold up dryer hose by using FOAM RUBBER between rad hose & the dryer hose. I hold in place by wire, wrapped around everything.
Looks really sad, but, works quite well and flexes easy.
Until I perfect this, it stays. I had all this stuff lying around, after my house move.
I have a PVC emissions air inlet scoop, picks up fresh air, 4-6" inches off ground, from under passenger fender, that connects to my old 1975 Opel Fuel Injected Sportwagon air inlet hose (HOW I LOVED THAT CAR).
That air inlet hose, exits, right infront of that dead air space, below the air box inlet.
I "lowered" my pass side headlight assembly, as much as possible, raised the hood bump stop pass side.
Hood closed, I now have a 1/2" air inlet, top side, headlight door.
I took the LID of my air box, flattened it by HEAT GUN, it now extends over radiator core support.
I drilled holes, removed metal, in the hood brace area, to allow fresh air, straight scoop.
On the hood braces are I chopped up, I only removed side, not the bottom metal.
My K & N air filter is finally getting dirty and air inlet performance is seemingly better.
When I figure out how to upload my digi camera pics, I'll share.
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Old Jun 3, 2002 | 12:08 PM
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Here's what I got so far. Still need to get some hose clamps and some 80-90 mm rubber hose for where the pipe connects to the MAS (electrical tape at the moment) and to extend the other end of the MAS about an inch. Kinda wanted to take the bend out of the MAS but oh well. Anyway got some measurements for the filter, just need to find best matching size. Might also put some heat shield wrap around pipe to block heat from radiator and hose.

Did you know if you took out the base plate for the airbox and charcoal cannister there's a battery tray in that corner too? I didn't know that.

Hey we should have a contest; who has the 'ugliest' custom air intake.
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Old Jun 3, 2002 | 01:00 PM
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WOW, your radiator is bass ackwrads huh? thats wierd. But looks good, you should definately notice a difference. And yea, I can't remember if I saw one on mine, but others have mentioned that extra battery plate before.
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Old Jun 3, 2002 | 01:08 PM
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I would WIN!
I still have brown rust stains on my hokey looking set up due to broken overflow tank & using just water.
Suggestion.
Remove the final "hard curve" to the MAF.
Take air box, twist slightly, rise up the MAF to line up with the hose to air intake.
I use 2" Duct tape to hold my MAF & the Air box, in-line, in place.
Wish I knew how to upload pics from this camera. I have to start stripping the 3.4 for painting & stuff.
Do you guys have plumbing supply store over there, close by?
Use rubber 3" pipe connectors for the final connections.
You're doing great.
I have no real problems with what little heat may be generated to the air inlet hose.
It's not direct & it's overcompensated by the massive amount of air (cool I'd like to believe) flowing thru.
Which is why I wire tied my stuff to the upper hose, separated by "Cell Foam".
You certainly can use hose clamps with safety wire between them for air inlet hose support. I plan on that, but for now, to other projects (new home purchase plumbing was last week!) & this concoction works fine.
Your set up looks very close to my final creation.
I just happen to find a 90* bend for inlet to throttle body. Then flex dryer hose to the MAF to duct/racers tape to the air box.
Find an old 75 FI Opel for that curved hose thru the fender. It's a 3" by 12" length, super sturdy stuff.
I love GM/Adam Opel products.
Any Bitters by you?
Any Opel GTs (1968-1972 in states)?
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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:02 AM
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here's mine its on a 89 2.8MPFI
Attached Thumbnails air intake plans for now, pictures soon-v6enginesidebintake.jpg  
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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 02:03 AM
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Here's another from the front, dont worry I removed the tape and finally fit the middle tude perfectly by cutting the rubber a lil to fit nice and snug.
Attached Thumbnails air intake plans for now, pictures soon-v6enginefrontintake.jpg  
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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 07:16 AM
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heres mine again
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Old Jun 4, 2002 | 12:07 PM
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From: Tenino, Washington
Car: 89 f-bird and some others
Engine: 3.4
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yeah, I would like to get the air flowing straight before going into the MAS. Got a few weeks before the filter gets here so I might try reworking it again. I'm hitting the junkyard tomorrow to look for some pieces that might help. Can't seem to find rubber hose like I need at the stores.

Wish I had a digital camera. I need to videotape the engine and capture a still frame on my computer. I'll post another pic if I redo it better.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 12:35 AM
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Finally, another guy with the upper radiator hose on the PASSENGER SIDE! I think its impossible to do what these other guys are doing, especially w/ MAF.

Coolrims, what are you going to do? Remove that tray that holds the housing and the vapor can? I was wonderin if you could remove the long rod that holds the filter top in, and be able to replace it when smog time comes around.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 06:37 AM
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I'll leave the tray in for now. If I ever get around to executing my additional ramair plans I'll take it out and move the cannister to the other side.

The rod just unscrews. Just below the top threads theres a head for a 7/16 (I think) wrench. I didn't feel like digging for a wrench so I used pliers. I'm lazy.

I'll tell ya, I really am thinking about moving the battery over to passenger side and moving all the intake stuff to the driver's side. It would be so much easier not dealing with the radiater hose and overflow hose.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 08:33 AM
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Finally, another guy with the upper radiator hose on the PASSENGER SIDE! I think its impossible to do what these other guys are doing, especially w/ MAF.

If you'll be at Cruiser's Friday night, I'll show ya how I solved my problems.
So hokey looking, but works well.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 11:15 AM
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I'm checking on the size of my battery cables tomorrow. I'm really, really thinking about moving the battery to the other side now. And then I can post pictures and people will think I reversed the image heh heh.
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 02:48 AM
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I have a couple questions.Are these homemade jobs as good as the ones you buy?,And can you use any air filter? I saw a bigass one today at autozone that looks like the one u guys are using, it was in with a bunch of stuff for hondas and stuff but it said it was for any 3" pipe.If you can use any filter and set it up i might try this one store close by that sells stuff mainly for ricers but i remember seei'n some huge air filters there.

Here's a crazy idea i dreamed up, I was thinki'n why not take a piece of tube like a vacumn sweeper tube and set it up to where air was fed into it from under the car or foglight openings and then feed it to the inner passenger side fender area where the air filter is.I figure it couldn't hurt to feed air into that space cuz i was reading somewhere that the intake needs so many square feet of air per sec but doesn't get nearly enough in that cramped space.What do you guys think......Andy
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Old Jun 7, 2002 | 03:31 AM
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Car: 89 f-bird and some others
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I've never really found a performance air intake for a V6 for sale. Seen them for 305s but no v6. haven't looked very hard either.

I guess any filter would work as long as it fits.

I thought of using the foglight holes for intakes too awhile ago, just haven't done it yet. I'd like to get the first half done, then I might try for the ram air setup. I've found some dryer stuff that should work and I'd run the driver's side intake across behind the airdam (hoping it doesn't get too mangled if I scrape the dam on the ground) and then run it and the passenger side intake up through the gap between the cannister and fender. have to move the cannister somewhere else. Then combine the 2 hoses into whatever airfilter box I make.
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 05:06 PM
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Car: 89 f-bird and some others
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Finally got it figured out today. Found some hose at junkyard of a couple different cars. The battery is staying where it is, too much on that side to get in way also. The bend is getting cut off the MAS and the filter will be attached almost directly to it. inch or 2 hose extension for easier fit. And the whole thing doesn't even touch the coolant line anymore.

I'll post results and pics when I get the filter and install it.

I really hope this makes at least a little more difference. The ignition rebuild and exhaust haven't really made a huge difference. Maybe you really do need all 3 to really make a difference. The air and pulley will the the last for awhile, besides all the service parts I need to fix.

(please excuse all spelling errors, deviations in grammatical structure, and endless ramblings....it's late and i tired
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 06:24 PM
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What you will end up with is a smoother running car that can now go passing cars easier, than before.
BUT, it's still a 2.8, a small worn high milage engine, until you go to a 3.4 block.
NO DISGRACE with what ya done.
You just may have reached the end of the performance level you can go.
All stuff switches over easy to a 3.4, tho!
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Old Jun 9, 2002 | 04:19 AM
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Ah yes, nothing like a good drunken coma after 2 days of no sleep.

I'd love to find a good 3.4, that's my future plan. When I ship my car back to the states someday I'll work on that. If I could just get my hands on a 3.4 turbo. Lotta people tell me I should put a V8 in, but that's just too much work. When I eventually get a V8, I'm just buying a whole new car. Still keeping the 6 though.
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Old Jun 12, 2002 | 01:52 AM
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My homemade CAI is done like SAE's. And it looks just like his . I just unscrewed the sensor from the air canaster and drilled a 5/8's hole in the 45 elbow and screwed it back in. And I have a ram air set on my my car also. I have the Z28 grill and ran a/c duct to up to my air filter. I had to cut a hole where my old canaster sat but it works real good. And Deviate , I used the filter from one of those ***** intakes you are talking about. My K&N is on its way. But if you make one yourself. And use a ***** air filter be sure to get a 3 inch to 2 inch adapter piece of pvc when you buy your 3 inch pvc pipe. 2 inch pipe is too small you will also need a 90 elbow in 3 inch also. Just be sure to do alot of measuring before cutting and putting together. I also painted mine so you dont see all white pvc pipe.

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Old Jun 12, 2002 | 03:07 AM
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What u guys think of my setup hmm no ones really said anything!
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Old Jun 12, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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Yours looks alot better than mine . Did you buy that or make it yourself Maverick?
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Old Jun 12, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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Homemade my friend.
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