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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 12:11 AM
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Hi guys haven't been on the boards in a LONG time but that doesn't mean I haven't been working on my 92 Camaro RS. I just got done putting brass freeze plugs in the back of the block. WOW what a job plus I did fuel filter, transmission filter, new cam shaft gasket on the back of the block. I have more questions to ask everybody. You all were right, using 3 extensions and a univerisal got those tranny to block bolts right out, man I love rear wheel drive cars.

What's the best thing to clean seatbelts, mine are more black then red from over the years of oil and dirt??????

Everybody knows that tube under the intake that feeds hot water to the butter-fly and to the heater valve. Mine was leaking so when I took it off it broke right off in my hand and left half in the engine, wow what a job getting that sh*t out of the treaded hole, D A M bean counters at it again, cheapest sh*t they could get. The question is my tube, looks bad, I cleaned it up but I don't know, I'll try it but will see tomorrow if it leaks. GM wants $155 dollars for the tube which bites, anybody know of somebody who has it cheaper???

Last question, what is the life of an O2 sensor in miles???

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Ryan
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 09:23 AM
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Sensor @$30 is cheap insurance. THEY SAY in ads change every tune up and that makes sense.
SO 30K unless your car run like $hit.

Seatbelts?
TOOTHBRUSH, soap and water and spray bottle, towels to SOAK UP DAMPNESS, sun to dry.
OR find others.
IT IS COLORED FABRIC! REMEMBER THAT! NO Bleach!
Go gentle, then stronger effort.
My tube, I got fixed for $5, radiator shop.
MAYBE have them make one or find a good other one.

Old toothbrush uses----
Remove the old car wax from around body edge corners and name or trim items on car body.
Perfect for cleaning spots on items. Soft bristles won't harm fabric so much!
Can melt/bend shaft to any angle, any special, one time usage.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 09:30 AM
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I just detailed my 85 so I could put it up for sale. My neighbor had an aerosol can of citrus de-greaser. Man that stuff worked great on the grease stains (literally a spray on, wipr off deal). I don't know the brand or if its on the market yet but I'll ask him tonight
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 09:54 AM
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I wont be using the tb coolant pipe on my set up if you need that.
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Old Jun 5, 2002 | 11:53 PM
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Good news I polished up my old tube and put it in, NO LEAKS so I'm all set there. That other fitting from GM with the O-ring in it costs 12 bucks so I got that. I'm all done no leaks anywhere!!!

Yes I have used my old tooth brushes many times for stuff, I think I'll just use car interior cleaner on my seat belts and see how that works.

car runs fine right now so I think I'll save 30 dollars, I just put one in at 55,000 so I should be ok, with only having 85,000.

My Camaro is young in miles but is showing her age elsewhere.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 01:51 AM
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A professor at UT swears that an O2 sensor will never go bad. if it gets dirty, just remove your air cleaner and run it hard on the eway. all its needs is to get hot and it will self clean. the mechanics behind it are almost impossiable to screw up, unless the wire gets cut, the car burns oil, and/or it is babied so often it never gets hot enough to clean.

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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by 86bird_28v6_5spd_ramair
if it gets dirty, just remove your air cleaner and run it hard on the eway.
And let's watch a chunk of debris get in through the intake. thnen he'll be changing a motor instead of a sensor
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 11:36 AM
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if it has an O2 sensor, most likley it has a MAF so nothing would get past it and into the engine.

do a poll and see how many guys here run no air cleaner at all, just the MAF screen and/or a piece of screen else where to grab large stuff.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 11:49 AM
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91-92 cars are MAP so there is a (more or less) direct shot into the intake. Running with the air filter off is a BAD IDEA on any car. The screens on MAF cars might stop big stuff but its the little stuff that usually kills. A couple grains of sand and you will be shopping for a new engine.

If the sensor is old/dirty replace it, they are pretty cheap. If you get 30,000mi out of it for $30 that only .1 cents per mile not bad.

Dale

Edit: MAP cars still have O2 sensors just like pretty much all GM EFI setups. Some may have more than one tho.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by 86bird_28v6_5spd_ramair
A professor at UT swears that an O2 sensor will never go bad. if it gets dirty, just remove your air cleaner and run it hard on the eway. all its needs is to get hot and it will self clean. the mechanics behind it are almost impossiable to screw up, unless the wire gets cut, the car burns oil, and/or it is babied so often it never gets hot enough to clean.

????
Supposedly the element inside the sensor can get contaminated, either because of fuel injector cleaner, or additives from the gasoline companies. If the element inside the sensor cage is white, the sensor's been coated (contaminated). And yah, any induction system that is designed around "feedback" (closed loop operation via a computer) will have an oxygen sensor, even the CCC (Computer Controlled Carburetor) systems.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by 86Chicken

Edit: MAP cars still have O2 sensors just like pretty much all GM EFI setups. Some may have more than one tho.
Anything that's computer controlled. Anything with a feedback carb, TBI, MPFI has at least 1 O2 sensor. When everybody went to OBDII in 1996, most V engines have either 3 or 4 sensors for left bank, right bank, and catalytic converter efficiancy.
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 08:35 PM
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yup as dan said

all CC cars 1981 to now have atleast one 02 sensor
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Old Jun 6, 2002 | 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by 86bird_28v6_5spd_ramair
if it has an O2 sensor, most likley it has a MAF so nothing would get past it and into the engine.

do a poll and see how many guys here run no air cleaner at all, just the MAF screen and/or a piece of screen else where to grab large stuff.
i'm sorry but
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 02:29 PM
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"""A professor at UT swears that an O2 sensor will never go bad. if it gets dirty, just remove your air cleaner and run it hard on the eway. all its needs is to get hot and it will self clean. """

I don't believe this for a second, I never saw a professor yet who new anything about real world science and cars. What does removing your air cleaner have to do with anything???????
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by 86bird_28v6_5spd_ramair
if it has an O2 sensor, most likley it has a MAF so nothing would get past it and into the engine.

not true

speed density MPFI: does not have a MAF and uses a 02 sensor

CC-carbuerators: do not have MAF but have 02 sensor

basically any vehicle 1981 until present that is computer controlled has an 02 sensor
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Old Jun 8, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by 86bird_28v6_5spd_ramair
do a poll and see how many guys here run no air cleaner at all, just the MAF screen and/or a piece of screen else where to grab large stuff.

that is a profoundly dumb idea.....................
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Old Jun 9, 2002 | 09:55 AM
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maybe he ment the diff between speed density & MAF induction types. My bird is MAF, but still has a map sensor. Also, as those who have also done/are doing the 3.4 swap w/o headers, our engines now have 3 o2 sensors.......the one in the T/Y-pipe, & the 2 spares in the exhaust manifolds. Run a car w/o air filter....why not just drop the oil pan like in those prolong commercials, nothing will happen

If you want to run w/o a MAF screen, save it for the track, and use a spare one so in daily driver mode you'll have a properly running engine.
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Old Jun 9, 2002 | 10:51 AM
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Why screw up your MAF sensor anyway, Im sure they are not cheap to replace.
Its better to replace a 30 dollar oxy sensor like KED says.

All the professors I have ever seen get someone else to work on their cars anyway. So what do they care.

The element may never go bad but they do get contaminated .
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Old Jun 9, 2002 | 11:13 AM
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Put it this way. I just replaced my ORIGINAL O2 SENSOR last winter. It worked fine. original AC DELCO BABY. I know it worked fine cause I had a A/F Guage on it reading directly from the sensor, and a laptop hooked to the Diag port so I could see what was going into the motor.

And running without an air filter is not advisable unless it is for very short time.
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