can anyone give me some ideas on what i would need to do to turbo my 2.8v6?

 

the search button. Doward and Techsmurf have done it already.

 

amen.

If you come up with specific questions, that's another story.. but there's about 20 threads totalling well over 1000 posts worth of generalities out there.

 

My car domain site has my turbo build up a 3.4 with 2.8 heads.
Not tomany stock GM parts will be on/in there when I'm done.

 

Yep. Vortex and I are finishing tuning, and going to start making kits to sell.

 

totaly off the wall but you gotta see this thread.

Maybe you should make a 6 turbo kit D???



https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=246058

 

Results of this testing perhaps??????

And do I have to change my '91 3.1 MAP system over to a 2.8 MPI mass air flow system to be able to tune it?

Eric

 

been wondering where the updates for the turbo were....im gonna be looking in to engine rebuilding this august so i can run the turbo without much of a problem. any results and have you all decided on prices, credit card only has a 1300 dollar limit lol

 

Ok, maybe "tuning finished" was a bit hasty... We're still smoothing it all out, and I'm almost convinced to go to a Bypass valve over a BOV, due to the rich running in between gears...

Results?

While still tuning, I got a quick run against a 15.0 '03 Crown Vic.

I slaughtered him, from a 2nd gear roll... instantly had 5psi boost, went to 12 - he only had a slight pull, before the turbo simply shot me ahead. Yeah, deep 14's.

Track times I'm hoping within a month.

 

yeah i was just wondering about the mods i need to make to do it, see i don't wan't to make it a race car, just a little extra power and a small surprise for unknowing victims,lol i am considering doing the 3.4 swap and turbo'ing that but still undecided, definitely first want to just through a turbo on the motor in the car right now, doesn't matter if i granade it, the things i was wondering is stuff like cokmptuer mods, fuel mods, like i said not looking for a crap load of boost, just like 6-9lbs. so can anyone help me??
oh and nice to see i am not the only one with this idea,lol.:rockon:

 

There is an absolutely MASSIVE amount of stuff to do, to custom make one... exhaust pipe routing, intercooler mounting, intake routing, welding a flange for a BOV/Bypass, turbo install, and mounting, downpipe fabrication and routing, o2 bung install.

And that's just the 'putting the turbo in' stage.

Then you've got to figure out your fuel delivery (boost = more air = need more fuel) and how you'll control that fuel delivery vs how much boost you're running.

And timing... you can't run as much timing under boost, so you've got to have a way to control that, as well. PCV routing - can't have boost in the vacuum ports, to keep it all running well.

Have we gotten to the turbo control step yet? Wastegate, bov, everything has to be set up.

I've got personally about 2 years into this kit. Vortex has about a year and month or so into it. It's been a VERY long, laborous project - but the look on that guy's face (in the Crown Vic) when the turbo spooled was well worth it.

I don't want to talk you out of building your own turbo setup - just be aware, there is a LOT OF R&D! I spent almost 6 months on paper, before ever even gathering the turbo/intercooler/etc...

 

im sure i speak for everyone when i say your time and hard work is worth it to us so that we can finally have a chance with our little v6 engines against anything that pulls up. i wouldve loved to see that guys face

all the design going into this project is at this point way over my head so i cant wait for you guys to be producing and selling the turbo kits. duranged i would probably jsut wait on the kit

:lala: <~~~ me after installing new turbo kit and blowing away my first victim haha

 

*laughes* We want 14.2ish - stock SRT-4 territory.

And that's just to start with.... imagine a T66 equipped 3.4L with forged internals, roller cam, roller valvetrain. Mmmm... 11's easy.

 

haha any neon driver would crap there pants if they got whooped on by a v6 camaro. all the ones around here think they are freakin awesome and untouchable

hmm wonder what a touch of Nitrous would add to the mix of a turbo...probably blow up the poor 3.1 lol

 

oh random thought...im sure most of us are gonna have to do a rebuild before droping the boost in our engines...what all should we do. im gonna start working on getting my rebuild parts so its ready when the turbo is. who makes rebuild kits for our engines and prices please if any one knows...also prices on forged pistons

 

Basically what I am looking into. i am seriously doing research and parts gathering for a TT setup on a 3.4 build up comming early next year. I work at a smog shop in california and am hoping to be able to tune so that I can get a limited parts exemption and have it be smog legal.

 

Northern Auto Parts has the rebuild kits... something like $450?

Go with the TRW's, or I'd find a set of the stock pistons. Yes, they are cast, but they are produced by Mahle, from what I've been able to find out - and they are suprisingly stout.

DO NOT go and get a set of stock 'Badger' pistons or the like... they are cheap crap.

Btw, low 14's is quick. Seriously quick.

The cool thing with the kit, is it'll work on a 2.8, 3.1, or 3.4. ANY 60º in a 3rd gen body, camaro OR firebird.

Swap your 2.8 with a 3.4, get a bigger turbo, and you'll find 12's with tuning.

 

sweet action lol...ok how can i get ahold of nothern auto to get that kit and what all is in it if you know

also where might i find these pistons and if money is available would it be better to go with forged

yes low 14s is real quick my buddies 96 cobra mustang does like a 14.34 on street tires and its got a bit done to it

im gonna be wanting to do the rebuild in august i have a class at school im gonna do it in so im trying to get all the info together for me and anyone else that wants it. cuz theres no way our v6s with tons of miles on it are gonna handle any boost for long. keep the good info coming :hail:

 

well took the liberty to find it for you all lol i was bored

Rebuild kit
http://www.northernautoparts.com/Pro...?ProductId=442

still looking for forged pistons....

 

Get some new stock rods and have them race preped.
The GMPP site says that if you go by there book the forged stock rods that all V6-60* have can take 7,000rpms.

 

Oil pan is correct - take your stock rods, have them shot peened, and re-pressed (for concentricity of the big/small ends)

 

where would i get the stock rods and where would i get them race preped?

do ya think the pistons in the rebuild kit will handle the boost?

 

Stock rods? Um... in your engine?

The TRW's are hyperuetectic, and are actually pretty good.

 

haha well i believe in that post it said find some NEW stock rods thats why i said that

i have no problem using the old ones as long as they work.

 

Take the stock ones, have them shot-peened, and re-pressed... then they'll be fine

 

You can modify small jornal SBC rods to fit in one of our V6s.
You could get some forged H beams machined to what you need and they could take any thing you could throw at them.

 

You can get custom pistons from Ross. If you're doing this with a 3.4, they already have 8.5:1 forged .30 over pistons on file from someone's turbo fiero buildup.

 

Not sure if this will help any sense your doing it on a 3.4 is that correct but When I purchased my car it had a rebuilt engine and the guy on ebay had a picture of the recipt at the whole kit for my 2.8 was 350$, just some info.

 

I turbo'd the 2.8, the converted the 2.8 to a 3.1...

Where was the reciept from?

 

ya know im really suprised there isnt a sticky for this topic on here sure would make it a lot easier to keep up to date on how things are going

 

ok, well first off, i was thinking about the 3.4 swap also, now when i do the 3.4 swap what do i need? ie: different computer,stuff like that, also what about the compression ratio? i am still new to the whole v6 thing, hell i thought i was the first to think of turboing a 2.8, lol i guess not, but i would like to know what i would need to do this project, like which injectors to use, which fuel pump, and a round about idea of horepower i will get out of it, i talked to a guy from third gen resource parts, and he told me as much as 450hp street legal, now i think that was a b.s. number, but i could be wrong, i just don't see those gains happening with out at least spending 8 or 10g, and i only have a price cap of about 4 or 5 to do this motor, because the rest of my money is goimg into the body and interior. doward, when u think vortech will have this kit for sale and how much??

 

Vortech has been working on a kit for 3rd and 4th gen camaros for 4years I don't think they ever will do it.
To swap a 3.4 swap it as if it were a nother 2.8 block.
Depending on what year your 2.8 is we can tell you what parts you need.
the 3.4 needs 17 lb/hr injectors.

 

Not sure when Vortech's gonna come out with a turbo kit

The VP Turbo Kit will be out, after I modify the Y pipe... I came up with a better idea (cut roughly 18" out of it! It'll be short, sweet, and full of exhaust energy )

I also want someone (at LEAST one) person to purchase a kit, and let Vortex and I install it (here in Central Florida) - why? Well, it will be free installation, for that one guinea pig - I just want to be sure that everything fits well, even with the smog stuff in place.

Oh yeah, after the Y pipe is done, still more tuning... the first Group Purchase will definetly have full chip updates, until it runs smoothly.

 

hmm.....well where at in central florida...for a free install(and possibliity of learning something) id be willing to come down there from indiana. email me or pm me and lemme know what all would be envolved (pillsbry10@aol.com)

would be a nice vacation as well as a great ride back home

vvvrrrooommmm psssssttt

 

Sorry Doward I forgot about this post for a bit, the reciept was from a Virgina shop who i guess purchased the kit then installed it because it did have other prices on there for installation and labor the shop was like Big Als or Something with Big in front of it and it's on the Coast I know.

 

Ocala, FL.

 

well send me the info about doing that and i may be your first volunteer....when, and how much id have to have for the turbo and what not. if you wanna keep all that private just email me

ill just have to postpone the engine rebuild for a few extra months and pray the turbo doesnt blow it up haha, good thing i have an extra car just incase

id love to be your first victim hahaha :hail:

 

i live nearby and i would not mind getting the 2.8 t'charged. even if i wasent the guinea pig i will still most likely get it. now just got to convince my parents that a turbo is worth the money.

 

i dont live nearby at all but either way i could sure use the vacation...i looked it up on mapquest, bout a 13 hour drive but would be well worth it, so lemme know whats up with that idea

 

what price range would this kit go for?

 

ok, a couple things...

The kit is going to be around $2400-$2600, I believe. Includes all pipes, plugs, taps, turbo, injectors, wastegate, BOV, remapped chip, new MAF. Basically, everything. All piping will be ceramic coated, as well.

Problems - You will have to remove your smog pump. Not all 2.8s came with them - if you didn't, awesome - you won't need to worry about that. There will also be some slight drilling (for the IC pipe) and POSSIBLY relocating the charcoal canister.

The first incarnation of the kit will be for '86-'89 MAF based computer systems - I will only need to know if you've got a 2.8, 3.1, or 3.4 in it, for your particular chip.

We are working on the '90-'92 SD setup, to get the electronics compatible there.

The first actual production kit is going to go for like $2200, with free install - I will use my own Camaro to build the entire kit, then whomever steps up to the plate will need to put 1/2 down in advance, then give us a weekend to install it, make sure everything's ok, and then pay the other half... at that point, I'd like them to take it for a test drive, and basically ask if it was worth it - if they give it the thumbs up, then the kit goes on sale!

 

well when you get to the 90-92 setup ill volunteer for that if you need another car. id love to be the first test but both my camaros are 91 92. cant wait to see this for sale

 

i have family down in fl been meaning to drop by and since i wanna turbo my 3.1 anyway, not to far from VB, when did you say first prod was?

 

This is still a little ways off.. I've got to finish re-creating the Y pipe assembly. I will say, it's not all THAT far off... I'd like to run the first batch of turbo kits before school starts

So start saving up, boys and girls. You're soon to be running with LT1s.

And I'm sure we'll all be upsetting a few of the V8 members on the boards.

 

Is that really a terrible thing to **** off anything with a V-8?

 

i don't mind, i was put on earth to beat people who are bigger and stronger

 

oh ill definitly be saving up....what kinda buy in are you guys thinking of doing cuz with me needing to rebuild the engine during august and buy the turbo its gonna be hard to do both. also how are you going to be taking payment all at once, or half before you make it and half after?

also i know im gonna have a problem with my headers working with the turbo, would it be possible when the time comes for me to come down there for the install anyways?

 

Yep, it'll pretty much be half up front, half upon completion (for the buy in).

Pillsbury, you've got the PF&E headers, right? If so, they yes, either I'll need you to ship me the headers, so I can make a Y pipe for you, or I'll physically need the car, to make you a turbo Y pipe.

 

well depending on whast going on with the car at that time i may just come down there. if the engine is pulled ill just send down the headers. im the only one i think on here with those headers.

what all is it gonna take yet to make the turbo kit work with the 90=92?