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Old May 16, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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starting and idle problems

my 83 camaro when its cold will start hard i have to pump the gas like 4 to 5 times to get it to turn over then when it idles it idles at like 1500-2000 RPMs and wont kick down after about 4 to 5 mins of idleing it will kick down and i did notice that when i first get it started and its idleing like that for about 1 min or less i put it into gear and it dies then i start it back up and put it in gear again and it dont die. But when its wormed up it runs and idles just fine and does not die i have no clue what is making this happen if anyone might know what is making this happen let me know. thanks

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Old May 16, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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carb.
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Old May 16, 2006 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 84 Trigger
carb.
could it be the fuel pump?
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Old May 16, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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there only $20, doesnt hurt to try.
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Old May 16, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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make sure that the choke is working correctly. If I recall, it's an electric choke on those and sometimes the spring inside either breaks or isn't hooked up right.

Take off the air cleaner when the car is cold and pump the gas pedal once, this should allow the choke plate to close fully, if it doesn't, you'll have to find out why.

If it does close, let the car idle on fast idle for a few minutes, still with the air cleaner off, and see if the choke opens, once again, if it doesn't...why?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:23 AM
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My '84 does the same thing - always has even when new. It won't kick down until the electric choke lets it. Because these cars only have 105-110 HP new (probably under 100 HP on a worn engine) the car is pretty much undriveable until the choke is off. One thing you could try is get a choke cover kit and drilling out the rivets on the choke cover so that you can adjust the tension. This should let it kick down sooner.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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Do you happen to hear any sort of whistling sound? A vacuum leak will behave similar to that, if it happens in conjunction with a carb that's running on the rich side (such as when first cranking and warming up)
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Old May 17, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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Do you happen to hear any sort of whistling sound? A vacuum leak will behave similar to that, if it happens in conjunction with a carb that's running on the rich side (such as when first cranking and warming up)
i have not herd any whistling nosie ill prob check it out this weekend it drives me nuts it only does it when it sits for a day if i start it up and wait till the rpms go down to like 500 and it worms up it wont do that again cuse iv been trying stuff out and i started it up and waited till the rpms went down and when it went down i turned it off and let it sit for like 4 or 5 hours come back and it starts and idles fine i just dont get it
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Old May 17, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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rebuild the carb or buy a reman. thats ur best bet. or try adjusting the throttle on the carb.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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Check out the choke like I following the instructions I gave you. Getting the carb rebuilt might not solve the problem anyway because after that's done, you'll have to adjust the choke anyway. And if that's the problem, then you'll have paid $200+ to have the carb rebuilt and end up with the exact same problem.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2_point8_boy
Check out the choke like I following the instructions I gave you. Getting the carb rebuilt might not solve the problem anyway because after that's done, you'll have to adjust the choke anyway. And if that's the problem, then you'll have paid $200+ to have the carb rebuilt and end up with the exact same problem.
ill check that out first cuse thats what im thinking it could be
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Old May 17, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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could it be caused by a gas leak? anyone know?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 84 Trigger
could it be caused by a gas leak? anyone know?
i know i am leaking a lil bit of gas
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 83camaroMN
i know i am leaking a lil bit of gas
It could, but the leak would have to be into the intake manifold, out onto it wouldn't change anything but your effective milage. The pump should be able to keep the bowl full short of a complete leak, and if it's leaking that much, you probably shouldn't be starting it to figure out a bogging problem.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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thanks for the help guys
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Old May 21, 2006 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2_point8_boy
Check out the choke like I following the instructions I gave you. Getting the carb rebuilt might not solve the problem anyway because after that's done, you'll have to adjust the choke anyway. And if that's the problem, then you'll have paid $200+ to have the carb rebuilt and end up with the exact same problem.
me and my friend checked it today it was working what else could it be i think ill just rebulid the carb i dont think that was ever rebuit so thats prob why
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