Right now I am torn in which kind of boost I want in my car. The main reason I am torn is I bought a set of headers and y-pipe that are stainless, with that being said I dont really want to cut up the y-pipe just yet. So than I look at a supercharging and the price is way too high. RSM sells a kit for $3900. Umm......no.
So my question is...If I were to build a supercharger kit, would it take the same kind of parts list the turbo takes? I found this from one of Dowards Turbo threads.
Just checking my options. Thanks for the help.

 

well your gonna be close to or more than that for any sort of a turbo kit for one o' these cars unless you can weld the pipes,fab up brackets, and tune your own ECU. there is just such a little demand for such setups for these cars cause from what i have found people go one of two ways on the pursuit for power. 1: they have the money to take it to a local speed shop and get a turbo installed(probably cost close to the same as any kit available) or 2: they swap for a V8 of some sort. the number of enthusiasts for these engines in these cars is incredably small, because the vast majority will swap for a V8 since the car is intended for one.

But me? i am trying to build mine cause i like my V6 and i realize that it will cost a lot more than a comparable power V8 but oh well.

 

There is a member, persanity I think, that is selling a supercharger for about a grand.

 

you could fab up a blow through supercharger setup with a thunderbird M90 pretty easily, the only real hard part should be making the bracket to mount it and align the belt/pullies(needs to be very sturdy w/ many attachment points), but you could probably pay someone to do that without spending too much $$. after that its just routing the charge pipes/intercooler and getting the extra fuel in and tuning. an m90 on these engines could make a lot of boost even without porting. I was planning on doing this to my v6 eventually(still may) until a screaming deal on a 355/t-5 dropped in my lap, so i just bought that car.

I wouldnt buy anything from RSM, ive heard bad things about their products, and they're pretty overpriced too.

 

what about using a procharger or equivilent super mounted in the AC compressor mount?

 

Im not really sure of the places you can mount a SC. Have you seen this? I always just assumed you needed to buy a mounting plate to work with the SC.

 

I have seen it on a V8 and it was mounted just using some adaptors to the AC mounts. so i figure it should work on a V6 to.

 

Im leaning more twards a SC, so if you know where you saw this could you let me know so I could get an idea how to do this. Thanks again

 

oh well thats gonna be hard, i saw that at a car show hmm.. i never really thought serious about it till this thread came along. sorry.

 

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you can get a rebuilt t-bird m90 on ebay for like $200, havent looked in a long time, but i know ive seen low mileage ones go for like $125 in the past. finding a centrifugal supercharger the right size is going to be tricky, finding one for under a grand is going to be a lot harder.

plus a roots blower is nicer for an engine lacking in the ci department then a centrifugal that doesnt build max boost until max rpm.

there is plenty of room to mount an m90 on one of the sides, you would probably have to get rid of the a/c, or make a new bracket for it and mount the s/c over one of the valve covers.

 

Nevermind I answered my own question...

I kinda want to stick with my MPFI right now. So I am going to look into the m90 idea. Thanks for the idea Naft, I had never heard of doing that.

 

u can het centrifical supercharger head units on ebay pretty cheap.to get it to make boost properly u would have to play with pulley sizes.
i would say this would prolly be alot easier then trying to mount and m90 and plumb it. mounting an csc in place of the ac compressor would be fairly easy with a bracket made out of aluminum plate.and the csc would be easier to hook up to an intercooler

 

Yea, Im just throwing around ideas and figuring out which one will work best. After looking around for an m90 and coming up dry, there are probubly two options for me...
1--Figure out what I need and make a csc kit
2--Hope Doward still sells turbo kits and fab up a y-pipe that will work with my headers.

 

or u could just by mine,im looking to go with a new turbo anyway so id have to remake all my **** to fit the much larger turbo

 

eBay Motors: G-60 Supercharger (item 190012052117 end time Jul-29-06 18:18:38 PDT)
one of these would work great on a 2.8 or 3.1. they come off vw's

 

2 of those might work okay . . . you could probably get about 220 hp max from one. not to mention that one seems like it could be in pretty bad shape.

an m90 is nice because it was a factory supercharger on a 3.8l engine, which means its a little undersized in stock form, perfect for a moderate (or hot, with pulley change and/or porting) 3.1-3.4l engine(ive gone through the compressor maps, IIRC it works great for like 9-18 intercooled psi.

here's one:
eBay Motors: Eaton M90 Thunderbird Sc/Cougar XR7 Supercharger/Blower (item 180011196860 end time Jul-31-06 16:20:22 PDT)

most centrifugals are for v8's and will cause huge parasitic drain from our little 6's, plus they generally dont make any boost(like seriously, less than 10% of max boost) in the first half of the rpm range, which isnt as desireable.

bottom line though is definitly go with whatever you can do for cheaper.

 

Ok so would this M90 be the same. It appears to be the same, just upside down from the one on Ebay. I dont know if they sell it outside the kit, thought Id ask if its the same before I ask them. Thanks

 

iono...

i dont think those OEM type SC's give enough boost

you'll do alot of work

and still be slow

i'd just start off with another SC

 

I know I wont be able to run 9 sec 1/4...but than again thats not my goal. After I put on my new heads, headers, new camshaft, new intake, etc., plus a sc I would be happy with 200hp or more. So if I can get 7-8psi out of this I would be happy.

 

it will work the same. mounting and tubing will be different, but the internals are all the same. its probably a little more efficient than the one on the t-birds, but you'll end up paying for the efficiency(not that its a bad thing).

Eaton Automotive - Engine Controls

eaton's page on the m90.

it will put out 15 psi on a mild 3.4 with the right pulley. you could probably do 350 hp at the crank without any porting on the s/c.

 

Hi, I am new here!
I live in the UK, the other day I was searching ebay and found a cheap 84 173ci manual camaro. I went down to see the car with very low expectations as regards the cars overall performance (this was due to the fact that 5 years ago I had a 350 gta) Now that was a fun car!
Anyhow, went to see the camaro and was pleasantly surprised that even though the car is only an estimated 140hp it is still fun! Of course this car is manual and that is gonna make a difference.
The other day I came on here and was inspired by this thread, sounds like all is not lost with the v6 then?
I have a few questions if i may?
Please bear in mind I am no expert with turbo conversions.
I do however know my way around an engine, but can someone tell me why you must use this turbo? And what is a 19* injector? Also why do you have to use them? I know these are basic questions but I need the answers so I can make a start!
And can i use a turbo of say a diesel 740 volvo? And if not why not?
Or could i use a truck tubo tha is not intercooled?
Why do i need an intercooler? Well i know wha an intercooler does but will it make that much of an improvment if i put one on? Sorry for all the questions but as a budding turbo enthusiast i would like some answers as gas is very expesive in the uk!
So a daily driver v6 turbo seems the way forward to me.

 

i havent seen doward on here in a REALLY long time, pretty sure that he never really sold any turbo kits either

whats your price range cuz i assure you your going to spend at least 1500-2000

 

check out the post on the top of the v6 section how to install a turbo . the route i show in that post is the absolute cheapest way u can do it if u can weld urself and most of it is using junkyard parts

in all honesty a t3 turbo off a mercedes or volvo will work but u are better off with a hybrid type turbocharger as the t3 sized turbo is on the small side

 

What about the kits on ebay? They look like a good deal!
At3 turbo? What class of merc is this for/
i am planning on spending the minimum poss.
PROJECT 89, what sort of gain do you think i will get with a t3 on a good stock motor?

 

What about a holset he1 turbo is this any use?
Or a switser diesel turbo like on ebay uk?

 

also read through this one

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/5...my-3-4-t3.html

dave your selling your turbo?

 

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my current kit will be up for sale soon as i can fab up a new style kit like i did on ur car as my current kit wont be able to fit a borgwarner s475 were my current turbo kit sits the turbo

lol the s475 makes the ebay turbo u have look like a mini turbo

 

trade ya turbos ha ha

 

lol u would prolly have trouble spooling it its going on a hi compression 3.0L motor (e85) with plans to spin mid 8k rpms

theres a few guys out there did some testing and are running as high as 14.0-1 cr with e85 with 20-30 pounds of boost ontop of that

 

Ok so i need some 19 psi injectors to start with then, what part number am i looking for on ebay? Or will 3.4 chevy ones do the job? or chev v8 ones?

 

I love that build of pillsbry10 really cool!

 

Following a t3/4 on ebay, runs out soon so i may buy it i will get some picks up when i get one coz i am gonna need all the help i can get doing this!

 

I have a Rotrex C30-94 centrifugal blower on a 3400 cavalier, intercooled.

Made 383HP to the tire and the car runs 11's. i think it's over 400 WHP now with the new tune but haven't been back to the dyno.

I really like the Rotrex units though !! AWSOME. I paid 900$ for it new from a place that was closing down on ebay... I think it was from a 350Z kit that was parted out.

BUT that being said, a turbo is a much better way to boost. Which is why I have a turbo on my camaro.