Pillsbry10

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I have finally started to get the parts together for my turbo build. i bought a universal kit of ebay from TSK for $550(pic Included to show whats all in the kit) and here are the specs on the turbo

Compressor Size: Inlet = 3"
Style = Blade Type
Inducer = 50.55mm
Trim = 57

Turbine: T3 Type Turbine Flange
Exducer = 2.25"
Turbine = .64 A.R.
Major = 65.2 mm
Minor = 56.06mm
Turbine Blade Type = 11

ill post better pics of the kit once it arrives here later this week

Turbo Build Price List

Universal Turbo Kit $550.00
Bosch 48lb Injectors(Used) $115.00
Turbo Headers & X-over $172.00
MegaSquirt and Harness $300.00
Wide Band o2 and gauge $150.00
t3/t4 Flanges $ 20.00
Silicon Couplers $ 30.00
Boost Gauge $ 50.00
Dual Gauge Pod $ 26.00

Motor Build Links
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/2...3-1-3-4-a.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/3...ve-go-3-a.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/5...y-3-4-car.html

project89

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whats motor specs i know its a 3.4 but is it all stock ?

Pillsbry10

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94 camaro motor
3.4 bored .30
forged pistons on stock rods
stock crank
ported and polished heads with hardened everything
1.6 crane alum roller rockers
mild cam, I'd have to look up the specs
msd ignition...

Not sure if I'm forgetting anything.. Been awhile

project89

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i see low 12's in ur near future lol, 325rwhp @ 450+ftlbs at low boost should be no problem.

i say it would take right around 12 psi to hit that mark if u decide to turn the boost up above 5-7 psi

Pillsbry10

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That's such a retarded amount of power for this motor lol but over 300hp and 400tq at the lowest psi is what I was going for.

Hopefully I'll get a dyno run on it n/a soon and we will have a better idea of what kind of power this motor will put out.

Oh yea the motor is balanced to

project89

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well look at what my motor did and 3.1L not 3.4
@ 9 psi with some serious issues it made 270/370 rwhp and tq on a mustang dyno

and that was with a high stall converter in the 700r4 and 4:10 rear gears so i lost a good 25% accoring to the dyno operator

u having a 5 speed will put alot more power to the ground and u wont have the ignition timming issues i had

granted that was with a turbo that was 10mm larger but the ebay t3/t4 is capable of about 425-450 flywheel just take a few pounds more boost to make the same numbers as the 60-1

jj74sd455

looks like fun. im thinking of turbo for my 3.4 in my 94 bird

Pillsbry10

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I'll be plenty happy with that much power

looks like it won't be here till Tuesday, it's got a 2000 mile trip to get to Indiana lol

hey Dave feel free to post up pics of turbo headers/crossover designs if ya want

project89

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passenger side header




the driver side is going to be pretty much the same as a mid lengh header.
the crossover will run almost in the location of the stock y pipe and come up to meet the turbo header near the firewall leaving enough room for upto a 3.5 inch downpipe

Pillsbry10

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haha those pics are HUGE

how much boost do you think would be safe on that motor? and how much do you think it would take before kaboooom, one high psi run on a dyno might be fun lol

project89

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a as long as u can support the fueling needs to make the power i wouldnt think twice about running as high as 21 pounds, hell ive been over 21 psi with hyperectic pistons.

as long as its tuned right u wont hurt anything

Pillsbry10

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im assuming you didnt dyno it at that psi? how powerful did it feel on the ole butt dyno

right now im running bosch III 19lbs

project89

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the old butt dyno couldnt tell you, i tested out a t76/76mm turbo well it was a t6 flanged turbo and didnt spool till 60/70mph it started to pull then blew the tires off the car.

19# injectors will get maxed at around 3-4 psi of boost (190-220hp if we raise the fp a lil bit) i might have a set of 24# injectors here which playing wit the fuel presure we can get u to about 280hp at the crank
in all honesty u need some 36.6 or 42 pound injectors and even at that i would say go right for a set of 50# injectors if u can find some this way it leaves u room to grow
if u look around u can find used sets real cheap

project89

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pssst

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pre-1...item439f6591fa

Pillsbry10

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hmm...i was thinking when i bought the 19s that id be ok for around 5-7 pounds, guess i read wrong lol

thats a pretty cheap set, however i hate to even mess with used if i can get new ones for a decent price

bl85c

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I'm at a 175 shot of n20 on a mostly stock 2.8 without a problem yet, using junkyard injectors no less. If you want to cheap out look for jy supercharged 3800's. SCC's have 28 lb/hr and buicks have something like 34 lb/hr. Search for a list of injectors by car & flow rating at one of those reman injector websites so you know what to look for at the jy.

project89

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new ones are going to run about 250 a set at the cheapest,that 50 buck set and then sent to southbay fi service would prolly cost u less then a new set

Pillsbry10

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i havent cheaped out to much on this thing so far i probably wont start now, our junkyards here suck now, they are basically all chop shops... any fuel injected motor is pulled before it even hits the yard.

i think southbay charges 90 for cleaning so yeah it would be cheaper but not by to much.. bout 150ish before shiping there and back, so id save a bit under 100 bucks. bad thing though is if i get them send them to clean and they are crap im out 50 bucks and shipping.

i sent my old 3.4 17lbs injectors for test and clean and they were craptastic, kinda figured they were though

i sent southbay a message though to get a couple prices...who knows maybe they will cut me a deal on my second set in 6 months lol

project89

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dont go any smaller then the 42's those will be good for 420 crank hp or if u raise the base fp u can get about 460 out of them, they will give u about 60 hp leway to play with if u want to push the motor a lil harder then say 10-12 psi

project89

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just glancd over at the turboforums
48# injectors practically new from one of the site sponsors 100 + shipping
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...topic=140174.0

Pillsbry10

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i still cant log on to the turbo forum, can you message him and see if he still has them and to email me Pillsbry10@aol.com

im assuming those with work with my harness and fuel rail?

project89

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yes they will they are modified injectors , they were originally 19# injecotrs modified by fic to flow 48#'s

ill send him a msg now

edit

btw same user name over there ? the admin is online so i can pm him and see if i cant get him to aprove ur account

Pillsbry10

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cool thanks

this may be a dumb question but how do you modify a 19lb that much...seems like a big mod

project89

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to be honest im not sure but i belive its a matter of swapping out the guts im not really sure
is what he says

ima drop the site admin a pm now for ya as well

Pillsbry10

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i might be wrong but i think those would be what i have in the car but modified...wonder if mine could be modified? or if it would be worth it.

100bucks would probably be do able as well

thanks for sending an email or two

*** so we are messaging at the same, yes same name on there

jensen73110

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Pills, how did you get the 3.4 intake to work with a dizzy? I saw your build pics, but must have missed that....

And (for project89 as well) what fuel pump are you running?

project89

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i am running dual walboro 255's but the stock pump will be enough to put the a car into the mid to low 12's

Pillsbry10

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Search threads started by me there should be one called 3.4 intake usable.. Has most of the info on there and pics. If I remember when I get home all link all my 3.4 build threads on here

***Links added at top Jensen

project89

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guy pmed me back and told me to tell u to pm him when u can get logged in.
i accidently sent a pm to the wrong admin lastnight sent it to the right admin today so by late this afternoon u should be able to log in

Pillsbry10

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Message sent, thanks for the help

will 48lbs not be overkill at low psi? Or will the tuneing fix that

turns out ill be able to pick the turbo kit up Saturday morning at the fed ex terminal

Street Lethal

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In this case, you sort of read right and wrong, as even though your looking for a one pound increase in fuel pressure with every one pound of boost, once you pass 0 vacuum, the regulator, although will continue to rise in pressure because it has no choice, does not keep up with the actual fuel requirement needed once you hit boost. Stock ECM's usually have about a 6% threshold in which it can correct for, which is why many people will assume that your safe up to 6-psi, but at 6-psi though, it will not be able to correct simply because its within its threshold when you do that math, as there is a little more to it than that. Scalers need to be altered, and pulse width needs to be adjusted for the ECM to correct properly at 6-psi of boost....

project89

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good deal be sure to post up lots of pics

and 48#'s will not be over kill if u had a stock engine then yes maybe they would be,but u have a built motor and should be capable of maxing those injectors if u put a larger turbo on it down the road, the turbo ur geting now is capable of about using 80-90% of those injectors

Pillsbry10

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I'll post up some pics here soon, had to go back to work to get the intercooler lol didn't realize there where two boxes.

Got a message back on the injectors I'll prob buy those this weekend, $120 shipped

Pillsbry10

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Turbo and BOV

Pillsbry10

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Boost Controller and Wastegate

Pillsbry10

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whole kit, turbo, intercooler

Pillsbry10

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well everything seems to be in good shape, the bov had some rust on one of the parts, i suppose from sitting on a shelf maybe, didnt look installed at all.

the turbo said AR 50 on it like another one i read about on here, right one if i remember correctly.

intercooler is a pretty good size, its like 3in thick and pretty long, hope that fits where it needs to go, ill probably mock that up this weekend to make sure

Gumby

A tip I read once is to use marine grade injectors, marine grade parts are built to better standards then regular auto stuff.

Was one of those stock build ups and they couldn't get bigger ones or its not stock, but marine grade stock sizes ones were able to do what stock sized reg ones couldn't.

project89

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looks good man did it happen to come with a turbo inlet and outlet flanges or no? just gaskets

Pillsbry10

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Nope no flanges, which ones do I need?

project89

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a t3 inlet flange which i think i sent u in the parts list for the tubing and the downpipe flange witch ill have to get u links for tomn morning

Pillsbry10

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Yea I think you did to, I'll buy that when I buy the tubing. I'll go ahead and get down pipe flange whenever you post the link, that way I don't forget

*edit...actually i dont see the flange in the tubing list

project89

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ebay is cheaper for them and u need o get 2 more reducer couplers from ebay neways

inlet flange is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T3...item45f2b0dd9c

2.5-3 inch coupler for throttle body connection
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-0-2...item3efff3ed2e
and 2 inch to 2.5 inch for turbo to intercooler tubing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-5-2...item19b460d04d

see if they come with clamps too if not u can find ones on ebay that come with them as well just make sure if u get diff couplers those sizes they are reinforced

Pillsbry10

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cool ill get that this week sometime...what about the downpipe flange?

project89

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T3...item45f1e02868

sorry about that

everything else will come from the tubing place

i would also pic up urself a vacum/boost gauge the wideband i linked u to comes with guage and get a dual pillar pod to install them into

other then that u need the ecu, and were about good to go

btw pick up some wire loom for the ecu wiring harness

Pillsbry10

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no problem

any suggestions for boost gauge? and pillar?

i would guess that within the month ill have all the parts, minus the ecm still undecided what im going to do there.

i emailed the guy on ebay with the flanges to see if he can save me some money on shipping if i get both from him.

i may put up a complete parts list with links at the top of the tread sometime tonight for anyone that wants it

project89

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be sure the downpipe flange u get has a 2.5 outlet hole boostgauge get any u like as long as it dosent use a electrical sending unit

auto meter makes a dual pod for the pillar and i think its 25 bucks

firebird1992

hey man if your going to turbo i would go with these guys for ECM tuning
http://www.gmtuners.com/ there amazing

and there in Fort Wayne, Indiana

Pillsbry10

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Yea I already contacted them, I don't think they can do much for me. Probably going to end up with a megasquirt and have Dave tune it

firebird1992

mmm really not even a custom job if you check there site they did alot of swap tunes.
well they did my car disabled the egr cut the rev and speed limiters and set up a new map for bigger injectors i was doing a turbo setup like project89 but a twin set lol.