Is it complicated to install a 3.1 turbo from a GP in a '88 camaro? Do i have to mess around with the exhaust or something like that? I don't have anything to weld or do tubing.

 

those 3.1 Turbo GP's are pretty rare...I wouldn't scrap one of those.

But I don't think the turbo setup will work, probably easier to make your own tubing etc

 

The TGP turbo system will in no way work in a longitudal RWD set-up. The turbo placement is over the bellhousing, and even if you tried to turn it around the belt system and front cover would get in the way.

The harder part would be bolting that engine into the longitudal RWD, due to starter location and driver side mounts pads being vastly different from the original engine.

 

Since the GP had cast pistons, what would be the gain over turbo'ing your 3.1 RWD?

Just use some 3x00 heads from a 2000-up FWD, along with the pistons, fab a DIS (or use a 3.4 block to accomidate), and boost it. (you can use the ECM, though)

Also the GP used a single t25, a little on the small side for a 3.1, really need two for real gains.

 

Oh jeez, i totally forgot it was transversally mounted. Forget about it...

What's a DIS and T25?

 

Distributorless Ignition System, and the size of the turbo.

 

Is it possible to use a dissy with some 2000-up heads?, i was thinking of fabbing up a custom intake to use a dissy, something like this


Or should i skip the trouble and just go with the DIS setup?, and if so what parts would i need?

 

To my knowledge, it has not been done yet. The back runner almost completly covers the hole where the dizzy goes.

 

You would have to fabricate a LIM, the dizzy won't clear. Daves12secv6 has posted pics of a LIM he was modifying to work with a dizzy, but it's a lot of work for not a lot of good reasons. I think it would be easier to make a DIS, or like me, use a 3.4 block that has the provisions.

 

ok so the dizzy is out of the picture, if i want to keep my block (3.1), what would i need for the swap
, also what about the oil pump?, im not sure but i think the dizzy makes it work, correct me if im wrong

 

In the FWD's, they have an oil pump drive that is just basically a dizzy with no top on it, just to drive the pump and seal the hole in the block.

 

ok so the dizzy ain´t a problem, so only the DIS wpuld be a problem now

 

You can use an ECM from a FWD, of there is a thread in the DIY section about how to do it. Just ask the question over there, and they will be able to help you better than me. I'm planning on using MegaSquirt.

 

Thanks a lot

 

Aslo a 3.4 block has a crank sensor mounting location.

Again, a 3.4 will make the swap easier because there is a reluctor wheel on the crank, and a mounting location in the block for it. Otherwise, you need a way to sense the crank position.

 

you see the thing is im on a college budget, also its not very easy to get only the block here, usually they sell the block along with its guts, so that blows my budget by a long shot, thats why im planing on keeping my stock block, also it's cheaper here to buy a V8 than a V6, but i dont like to go with the croud so im building a hybrid and turbo V6, to scare the crap out of some V8's hahahahha

 

You will need to fabricate an external crank trigger, liek I had to with mine, I kept the 2.8 block and change the crank reference angle in the PROM to 60* IIRC.

Or you could use a FWD MEMCAL, to at least run on, and be close. Tuning will need to be done to optimize the combination.

Here is a picture of my crank trigger:


You can see the sensor mount, to the left of the crank pulley and the trigger wheel mounted between the pulley and the harmonic balancer (it hasthe notches).

The trigger wheel needs to mimic that of the FWD crank trigger that is part of the crank itself, with the home signal in teh proper location relative to TDC, and offset by the proper amount by the difference of where the sensor itself is located in relation to the original location in the block.

 

so six shooter is it hard to do??, what parts would i need?

 

I don't know how long until you need it, but I'm planning on making some of these for the guys who want to keep the 3.1/2.8's, along with brackets for your accesories to swap heads.

 

The only off the shelf part in that entire set-up is the crank sensor itself. The rest is all custom.

 

So..., what are the specs on the crank wheel?

 

You have to copy the reluctor wheel from the center of a crank with one...

 

thanks for the sketch, but n¿know i have more questions, can i still use my stock ecm with this inductor wheel or do i need to change it?, one more thing i i go with the hybrid set up and a turbo , how much horses would i be pushing as opossed to just my stock heads with port & polish job and also a p&P job on the stock intake manifold and adding a turbo to that?

 

The stock aluminum heads are going to flow as good or better than ported iron heads...

Here's a comparison...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/4...re-3400-a.html
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...and that is more than a sketch, it's a CAD drawing for a machinist .

 

thank, so new heads are a must, alos dis ignition, just one questions, if i make the triger wheel do i need to change te ecm?