http://www.geocities.com/graemeg1984

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Performance Mods:
Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil, Accel 8.8 wires, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock, Fuel Pressure, and 5" Sport Comp Tach)TB Bypass, 4th Gen Seats

Car Stereo:
Blaupunkt head, Monster Cable wiring, MTX Thunder 6000 12" inverted in a personally made box with a 350*1 Amp pushing it, MTX 6x9 in the back with hopes for components in front

Coming for my v6:
Panhard Bar, 4thgen front seats, Nitrous, Line Lock, Posi, Spohn Torque Arm & Subframe connnectors

"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

My Site:
Click Here to see my car!

 

nice dude!!!!!

 

Thanks! All i want now is the ram air 2 hood and get it painted....then its probably time to start building a new engine.

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Performance Mods:
Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil, Accel 8.8 wires, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock, Fuel Pressure, and 5" Sport Comp Tach)TB Bypass, 4th Gen Seats

Car Stereo:
Blaupunkt head, Monster Cable wiring, MTX Thunder 6000 12" inverted in a personally made box with a 350*1 Amp pushing it, MTX 6x9 in the back with hopes for components in front

Coming for my v6:
Panhard Bar, 4thgen front seats, Nitrous, Line Lock, Posi, Spohn Torque Arm & Subframe connnectors

"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

My Site:
Click Here to see my car!

 

yeah, i too am going to finish my exterior mods first.......then i'm putting the 3.4 under my hood........i put the raised compression on the backburner for now though.......its a great idea but too hard to do cuz then i would need a custom chip that i would have to program myself..........
i'm prolly just gonna get forged pistons with a little boost in compression

 

im going a little more edgy 3.4, forged pistons, cam, full port on heads, ported 2.8 intake, 3.4 fuel rail, 1.6/1.65 variable hot rockers, etc... probably will try my luck with a supercharger before the engine gets dropped..

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Performance Mods:
Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil, Accel 8.8 wires, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock, Fuel Pressure, and 5" Sport Comp Tach)TB Bypass, 4th Gen Seats

Car Stereo:
Blaupunkt head, Monster Cable wiring, MTX Thunder 6000 12" inverted in a personally made box with a 350*1 Amp pushing it, MTX 6x9 in the back with hopes for components in front

Coming for my v6:
Panhard Bar, 4thgen front seats, Nitrous, Line Lock, Posi, Spohn Torque Arm & Subframe connnectors

"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

My Site:
Click Here to see my car!

 

thats cool, but what cam are you gonna get??
as KED85 pointed out to me the Crane CompuCam 2030 is inferior to the stock 3.4 cam...........and thats the only one i know of thats available..........and i thought that 1.6 rockers scrape the valve covers........anyways.......all in all it sounds like a cool idea.....

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Slayer of the following:
2000 saturn
198? Ford Crown Vic, (no i don't know why he bothered)
1990 Buick LeSabre 3.8
1986 Camaro 2.8

 

I do not recall saying exactly that the Crane Cam is inferior.
Points discovered were that it's a single pattern cam and that the 3.4 stock cam is available for less money (wrecking yards!) with a more aggressive cam profile (a dual pattern cam).
Crane designed both cams. It was their call to engineer the differences.
Graeme's point is very true. You can loose the powerful grunt (torque) bottom end, by reaching for the higher RPMS.
What makes the difference in lack of upper RPMS starts with more cubic inches.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

GREAT JOB, GRAEME!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Very nice I like it. Especially the rear 4th gen seats.... I have the same ones in mine cept I have front and back lol.

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(orignally CDnAP48)
'91 Camaro RS (in readers rides)
Dark Metallic Blue
V6, 4th Gen Seats, Sony Xplod CD Player and Sony Xplod 6x9's, Kelly Charger Front Tires. Soon to come, DJSexay Kick Panels, Polk Audio Component Set, 2 Rockford Fosgate 12"
s, Rockford Fosgate Amp, New Rims, New Rear Tires, Carpet, Floor Mats, Paint Job, Interior Color Change.
E-mail me for any questions or comments.
AdidasPredator15@jam.rr.com
http://www.geocities.com/adidaspredator21/index.html

 

I have the front ones too..just havent put them in yet.

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Performance Mods:
Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil, Accel 8.8 wires, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock, Fuel Pressure, and 5" Sport Comp Tach)TB Bypass, 4th Gen Seats

Car Stereo:
Blaupunkt head, Monster Cable wiring, MTX Thunder 6000 12" inverted in a personally made box with a 350*1 Amp pushing it, MTX 6x9 in the back with hopes for components in front

Coming for my v6:
Panhard Bar, 4thgen front seats, Nitrous, Line Lock, Posi, Spohn Torque Arm & Subframe connnectors

"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

My Site:
Click Here to see my car!

 

Well, I really have to challenge you on this. I wish you would come up with some documented proof that the '93, '94 and '95 Camaros came with the a cam that you claim was also made by Crane. The "Chevy Performace" book does not even make this claim. I have the old 3.4L cam sitting on my shelf in the garage and I'm tempted to bring it to my machinest to spec it out. Giving wrong information out does not help those that are trying to decide how and what to spend there money on.

 

Part number 12366570 (the book is 1998 GM Perf. Parts Catalog)
Revised 1998, copyright 1997.
Page 141.
Quote- The following camshaft kits were designed and manufactured by Crane Camshaft Co, (Circle-r) for GM Service Parts Division. These camshaft kits include (1) camshaft & (12) tappets.
12363220 - Camshaft
Thos performance flat tappet hydruraulic camshaft is used in the new 3.4 liter conversion package (#12363230) & is also applicable to the 2.8 liter & 3.1 liter engines. Designed to increase mid-range torque & horsepower, this camshaft is ideal for daily performance usage. The duration at .050" is (i/e) is 204*/216*, while the valve lift is 427"/454". The basic rpm range is 1500-4500 & the lobe seperation is 107*.
I DO NOT PUT OUT WRONG INFORMATION.
I go to the BEST AVAILABLE sources for my information I OFFER HERE.
LIKE GM PUBLICATIONS.
Maybe you should try that.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

That's a really good looking bird Graemes,keep us posted on the new hood, it's gotta look wicked!!

 

You ARE putting out wrong information!!! That part refers to an upgrade/mod to 2.8/3.1/3.4 engines. That part number DOES NOT say or state that it is also used as the same cam for the 93, 94, 95 Camaro's.

If you believe that the cam that's in your 3.4L that came out of these year Camaros is the same one specified in the "GM Perfpormance" book, YOUR KIDDIBG YOURSELF and misleading all others on this board.

You better learn how to read!

That's the same damn nonsense as saying that everyone that swaps out a 2.8 to a 3.4L has to beef up their transmission!

If I am wrong, I will appologize, but you have to prove it to me first!. Like I said, I have the cam in my garage. Perhaps we should make a wager?

 

Go buy the book and read it.
Anything else, blame GM's proofreader.
I have no doubt what I've read or offered.
I offered all the information and answers to this thread and your comments, that I will.
After you buy the book and read it, then you may make another statement offer your facts.
I'm tired of this BS.
'Nuff said.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

I have the book. Thats exactly why I'm challenging your information.


I have no doubt what I've read or offered.[/QUOTE]

OK, then how about posting a message to all those at http://www.camaroz28.com/messagebd/
that own 93,94,95 Camaros with 3.4s that they're be wasting their money buying aftermarket cams?

I'm tired of this BS.[/QUOTE]
You started it by making assumptions. I posed a question based on those assumptions. Now, your running away from it claiming you're right basing it on absolutely no proof.

I will find and/or determine the actual specs for the 93/94/95 Camaro cam. And post them. Like I said if I'm wrong I'll be appologizing.

 

I'm not making assumptions.
I'm quoting from the GM book I have.
My life is not this engine nor this board nor making a response YOU may be happy with.
Outta curosity, I looked up asking Crane Cams their answers to this information I have and what you also saying.
But, it's a toll call & not into wasting my dime on this answer.
I am working with the answers I alreaay have and I'm pleased with what I have read. I believe it to be correct as GM doesn't give praise to an aftermarket company, in their own performance books, because they like giving them the money.
GM Likes to keep the dollars in their bank account.
www.cranecams.com has the number for you to call if ya really need to know what the full skinny is.
I'll trust the information I've given and got and, I would have not problem, MYSELF apoligizing, IF I WAS INCORRECT.
Cause I have done that many many many times before.

Here, 904-258-6174. I saved ya the keystrokes as a favor.
Before you chat with them, fax them the page I refer to, so they know what we are discussing.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

This is becoming comical

Ok, here's the exact reference taken from the 1998 "GM Performance Parts" book:

12363220 - Camshaft
This performance flat tappet hydraulic camshaft is used in the new 3.4 liter conversion package (#12363230) and is also applicable to the 2.8 liter and 3.1 liter engines. Designed to increase mid-range torque & horsepower, this camshaft is ideal for daily performance usage. The duration at .050" (intake/exhaust) is 204*/216*, while the valve lift is 427"/454". The basic rpm range is 1500-4500 and the lobe seperation is 107*.

Now you state above:

Points discovered were that it's a single pattern cam and that the 3.4 stock (Camaro 3.4) cam is available for less money (wrecking yards!) with a more aggressive cam profile (a dual pattern cam).
Crane designed both cams.

Now, let me ask you a simple question:
Where in the paragraph above in my message and in yours that you and I took all the time to write that was taken from the "GM Performance Book", states unequivically that this same cam, PN/ 12363220 is also
used in the 1993, 1994, 1995 Camaros?

You also say:
[/b] I believe it to be correct as GM doesn't give praise to an aftermarket company, in their own performance books, because they like giving them the money. [/b]

Hmmm.... guess you never heard of GM equipping their cars with Holleys and Hurst shifters?

And yet they do in fact mention Crane on page 141, as quoted:

The following camshaft kits were designed and manufactured by Crane Camshaft Co. for GM Service Parts division.These camshaft kits include (1) camshaft and (12) tappets.

Your rebuttles make no sense. Common, give some ironclad evidence that supports your claims! I don't honestly know whats in those 93,94,95 Camaros, but to assume that they actually contain the Crane HP package is something that I won't state or allude to until I have some evidence of this. So why mislead others into thinking this also?

 

WHAT I was referring to was the "offered" camshaft profile of the Crane 2030 cam.
Someone else offered the specs from their interpetation of the cam readings.
Not me.
The numbers offered (and what I commented on) were reading a single pattern cam.
That's all.
Like I've said, the information I offered is from the GM books, which I didn't write, nor proof read it, nor gather the facts that the GM Perf Parts book printed.
If ya wanna prove/disprove what GM printed, call Crane.
If you have the same book, read page 141. It's printed in your book, also.

Not running away, just leaving this arguement. Because I have no idea what ya trying to prove anymore. I offered and passed along information from General Motors. I accept what was written.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Sorry KED, not to pet the cat the wrong way, but I have to disagree with you... You're wrong... Why?

The book says that the cam is available in a -new- -package-... also notice how it says -conversion-...

I believe that this cam exists, but I do not believe it was standard equipment on 3.4's...

Once I fix up my car and get ready to put a cam in it.. I'm going to call GM and find out the 'skinny' on this deal. I'll call and ask for a 'performance V6 cam, of such and such a duration with this much separation' and find how much they are selling it for, if it turns out it's cheaper than the compu cam, I'll order it, if not, I'll decide what I wanna do...

Besides, if you're looking for performance, are you going to buy a used cam with possibility that it's seen 7K RPM's and 32K mile old dino juice?



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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

 

I've known lots of people to buy used motor parts.
Including cams.
When ya get your facts, toss them out.
I seem to be working from facts printed, from a reputable source (Published books by General Motors), not some crack smoking salesperson.
I've notice more opinions, then anything else.

Incidentially, ever hear of Muncie Shifters?
Seems GM used them, before they starting using Hurst shifters for a stray few HiPo cars of theirs.
Let me save ya the trouble.
The Z-28 of 1969
The Judge
That was about all that came down the factory assembly line with the Hurst shifters.
Oh, NO Corvette ever came with a Hurst shifter.
Yes, Holley was a source of carbs, that GM bought for installing on their cars, too.
I know, I had one on my 1966 Corvette.
In your wise thoughts, you excluded Carters.
I wonder if Chrysler used them on their Hemis?
I wonder if Ford used Rochesters on their Cobra jet Engines, too?
Can you say "Yes"?
I wonder if AMC used GM steering coulumns on their products during the late 70'-80's?
I wonder if Fridigdare make the AC pumps for GM?
I wonder if the Gm Hydromatic division supplied transmissions for usage on Rolls Royces?
I wonder if Chrysler supplied AMC with tranmissions?

Go get your facts and present them. Make sure you include a dealers name and phone number so others can order them.
Don't be surprised if certain part numbers of do not match.
GM parts counter people, that sell these parts this for a living, of course they don't know anything.
But, I saved ya the trouble. Go to the source, Crane for an answer. I even offered a phone number.
386-258-6174 EST M-F, 8-Noon, 1-5
Source PHR, page 93.
But, of course, you'll dispute that fact too, with your opinion.
I'd enjoy reading Crane's response.
In another thread.

I wonder when this thread will be locked, as this only started because Graeme was real pleased to show off his ride, not for others trying to disprove the GM books for what they have printed.

Graeme, you do have a great looking ride.
Hope to see it at Bob's Big Boy one Friday evening cruise night, soon.


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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

I seem to be working from facts printed, from a reputable source (Published books by General Motors), not some crack smoking salesperson.
I've notice more opinions, then anything else.

OK, tell me where in the "GM" book it says IN BLACK AND WHITE that the Crane CAM was equipped in the 3.4L Camaros?

Incidentially, ever hear of Muncie Shifters?
Seems GM used them, before they starting using Hurst shifters for a stray few HiPo cars of theirs.
Let me save ya the trouble.
The Z-28 of 1969
The Judge
That was about all that came down the factory assembly line with the Hurst shifters.

Really? Have you ever heard of the "Hurst 442 Oldsmobile"? You lost this argument. The more you gibber the more you expose yourself to be discredited!

I'm thru with this baloney your spouting. You haven't proven anything. I proved that you can't find the information to disprove what I said along about your claims.

 

Please.
Those Oldsmobile were sent from the GM assembly line to a factory to be converted by the Hurst company.
Later idiot.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

anyways,,,hey Graeme nice ride! )

 

Hey graeme, how did u pass smog w/ that intake? No probs??? Because I was thinking of doing a crazy intake w/o the top of the filter box and then a hose coming from under the car feeding the filter.

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 80 Series, More to come......
New Pioneer Head Unit
Targa E-910 7-Band Equalizer w/ crossover
2x 10" Pioneer subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
2- 6x9" Pioneer (rear)
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

 

Dude.. i passed smog with that intake, timing advanced, my idle up down up down and lopey like crazy (no cam) and no carb e.o numbers for any mod.

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Slowly getting slower 1989 Firebird.. modded heavily for a v6
"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

My Site:
Click Here to see my car!