well just about, but here is my story, maybe you guys can help me.

Today i took my car to get the oilpan replaced and the fuel filter changed, well after they changed it all I turned on the car and listend to the fuel pump, it souded 80% quieter than it usually does, and i had absolutly no hesitation at all, well i drove several place and the cra was runnign great, when i got home i parked it. and let it sit for about 1hr. before my dad got home. he wanted to chekc it out himself so i tookh im over ot the car, now i dont know if it was my fault so i'll tell you what i did:

1. the car was parked inclined
2. i turned ont he cra and let the fuel pressurize
3. i turned it on "note: i didnt give it gas when it started"

well it ran for aobut 4 secodn and hten stalled, it has happened to me before so i turned it on again, but it stalled, well i tried again, i tried like 15 times and all it does is stall, it has a whinning sound and all it does it putt and putt, i have no clue what could be wrong. my dad says it coudl be the fuel not getting to the engine, thats what it kinda soudns like, and you cant even hear my fuel pump pressurinze, all i hear is a click, i called the repair shop and they told me that it sounds fuel related and to take it there first thing in the morning, well im gonna have to tow the **** over there because i sure cant drive it, i am so worried it is soemthign big, what do you guys think it is??? i need help guys because i am scared for my cars life.


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87 V6 2.8 MPFI Camaro SC
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Modded dual snorkle intake "bottoms hacked off", K&N air filters, Crane Cams 8.5mm fire wire, Accel Cap and Rotor, MSDcoil. upcoming mods:
Dynomax CatBack exaust system = VERY SOON
crane cams camp shaft, CC roller rockers, double timing chain

 

Sounds like they screwed up something to get you back in there. Maybe a bad fuel pump. But it sounds to me like they are pulling your chain to get more money outta you.

 

Look, I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything but, check your alternator. I know you said you just got it and everything but sometimes things just don't work, even brand new. It can't hurt to just check it and your battery. My alternator whined when it was going out. I have already replaced the alternator twice since I got the car in february. My last alternator only lasted 1 and a half months. And my car was acting the same way as yours. Just check it, you never know.....

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1992 Polo Green RS 3.1L K&N conical and working on the ram air....

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

how would i go about checking my alternator elevario?? what signs do i look for??

 

i also have reason to beleive it is my fuel pump because i do not hear any sound at all when i put it in the "on" position, before when i drove it off the lot it was a faint "ssss" instead of the usual "zzzzzzzzz" but now i don't hear a damn thing, well at least my car doesn't leak oil anymore , one problem after another, like they say, some times you wish to never part with it, other you just wana kick it in the a$$

EDIT: please xcuse my sh!ty spelling, i am very lazy right now

[This message has been edited by 87_Camaro (edited October 08, 2001).]

 

replace fuel pump relay, & inspect the wireing to it.

 

Don't forget to check the vacuum lines. Many problems arise there. one may of just broke, and they don't like to run without them. Just a thought (Might save some $) verses the mechanic puting in new everything...

 

where are the vacuum lines?? i don't know wic ones are wich?

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87 V6 2.8 MPFI Camaro SC
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Modded dual snorkle intake "bottoms hacked off", K&N air filters, Crane Cams 8.5mm fire wire, Accel Cap and Rotor, MSDcoil. upcoming mods:
Dynomax CatBack exaust system = VERY SOON
crane cams camp shaft, CC roller rockers, double timing chain

 

If it's not making any noise at all when you let the pump prime, my bet is the relay... otherwise it sue as h*ll sounds like a fuel pump... I just went through the fuel pump thing a week ago. $417. 58 dollars an hour for labor (times 4 hours (it's a real PITA job) plus 11 for a strainer, plus 150 for a Federal mogul pump. I could have supplied the pump for half that, but he said if his didn't work he'd put in mine for free (everything free) but if mine didn't work he'd charge me an extra 200 to put his in...

If it turns out to be the pump, you might wanna buy all new rear suspention parts, because the entire suspention has to be taken down. The shop shouldn't charge you extra labor, since everything is down anyway... all they have to do is intead of putting the old parts on, they put on the new parts...

Good luck, I know this can be a real PITA

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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

C'mon, spin 'em for papa...
http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

 

417.15 bucks!!!!!!!, noo i cant spend that much right now dude, i just spent 300. with my oil pan replacment & changing my fuel filter, i dotn have that type of money right now, i hope to lord it's the relay, where is the fuel relay? how much would it cost to fix that???

 

Didn't you say you were going to bring your car to the shop? I don't hear any noise from the fuel pump when I click on my car...that's probably bad But seriously, just bring your car to like the Sears auto place by park mall. They give free estimates I think. So just find out what's wrong then go from there. If they charge too much for something take your car back and find somewhere else. Check your alternator anyways, it can't hurt to. Just take the belt off it, unbolt it and unclip the wire from it, then bring it to auto zone or checker. They test for free and will charge your battery for free. If it is your alternator, get a good warranty like a 3 year or more depending on how long you plan on owning your car. It only took me like half and hour to take the alternator off, take it to checker, get my replacement, and put it back on. Then my car was running again with no more wailing or whistling under the hood! Now I got to get rid of the squeaks but that's something different all together....sorry just rambling. Before you tow your car to any place, get your alternator checked at an auto zone, if it's alright....at least you know IT works!
But if that's the problem, it will only cost you up to 100 dollars for an alternator. Compared to the 450 something dollars for the fuel pump. Let us know...

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1992 Polo Green RS 3.1L K&N conical and working on the ram air....

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

well let me give you guys an update, I called the repair shop today and they sent a tow truck to pick me and my car up for free wich was a good thing, well when I got to the repair place 2 guys came out to check my car out for me, they tried turning it on but to no avail, then one guy pulled this tube out near the the back of the hood in front of the drivers side, he told the other guy to try and crank it on, he had a can of carb and choke cleaner and started spraying it into the tube! I was like WTF, well he told the guy to turn the car on while he was spraying the stuff in there and my car started up just fine, once he stoped spraying the stuff in there the engine stalled and dies, he did this aobut 3 times, they said "yep the engine isn't getting any fuel" my guess was right, it was a fuel line problem, well they told me since you cant hear the pump pressurize there pretty sure it's the fuel pump "sigh" or the fuel relay, they gave me some prices, if it is the fuel relay it will only cost me 60 bucks, if its the fuel pump it's gonna cost me 350 bucks, well I asked them if I coudl keep my car there till friday since I didnt feel like getting it towed back and forth again, they said sure, thye'll keep it in the garage, they spoke with my dad and my dad told them to check out what it is, tell him, and then fix it and I can go pick it up on friday yay! of course I have to pay half of what ever. well thats what happened, i miss my car already, what will be the benefits of a brand spanking new fuel pump??? better response, or will I even feel a difference???

oh and just so you know the repair shop i went to is called sturms automotive, they are a very trust worthy company, they have al the hot rod pics and stuff on there walls they helped build, oh and i saw a sweet maroon 5.7TPI IROC-Z camaro gettign worked on... if there good for the IROC, there good for em

[This message has been edited by 87_Camaro (edited October 09, 2001).]

 

You only have to pay for half the repair?! Is your dad paying the other half? I wish my parents would pay for my repairs like that
Hopefully it's the relay for you!

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1992 Polo Green RS 3.1L K&N conical and working on the ram air....

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

After they finish the job, tell them I think they're a bunch of f'ing idiots. A trust-worthy shop?? Then why the hell didn't they just put a fuel pressure gauge on the car?? Instead, they shoot your intake full of carb/choke cleaner?? Never mind that you're not supposed to use carb/choke cleaner on a fuel injected motor, but a kid I used to know blew his 2.8 plenum to hell doing the exact same thing that bullheaded mech did to your car.

$hit, a fuel pressure gauge would've been faster, too. Damn, people are stupid. I would've decked the guy if it was my car he did that to. That procedure "might" be fine for a carbureted car- too bad you're fuel injection. Hopefully that schmoe isn't the one doing your pump!

Too bad it didn't blow, eh? You might've gotten a new motor out of the deal.

Oh-- If you feel like it, search for "code 54" on this board; that chart of mine helps you to trace all the fuel pump wires, and can diagnose a bad relay. But, if your pump went from "buzz" to "shhh" to "quiet"- I don't think it's a relay.

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

[This message has been edited by TomP (edited October 09, 2001).]

 

wow tomP don't I feel like an idiot, well I already knew that putting carb and choke cleaner into a fuel injected car was bad, thats why I said WTF, but you must remember I dont really know anything about cars, and i thought it was just a way tto test it, next time if anyone does htta i'll know what to do "slug them in thier dome" for not using the proper tools. well there gonna have my car till Friday, so i hope they dnt do anything stupid, and like you said just now, if they decide to blow my engine, I'll just have to make them pay for a new one , all thier work is guaranteed so they better not mess up.

[This message has been edited by 87_Camaro (edited October 10, 2001).]

 

update:........
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...... this is not good...


well it turns out that the fuel filter i gave them to change was defective and it cause my fuel pump to break, i knew to let them use thier own.....

so now i have to pay for:
1.a new fuel filter
2.a new fuel pump
3. the F*CKING tow truck becuase they wan tme to pay 42.00 bucks for it

all together it comes to a total of id say about 390 bucks......

G0D damn it man, this sucks so bad, i bett he stupid **** didn't know how to depressurize my fuel pump since my cra has no FP Fuse and he just went at it, he probably put the damn thing on the wrong way, i used up all the gas that was already in cerculation, and then it stalled out, wich caused my fuel pump to break since the gas coudln't go knowhere.....

 

Yeah, that does s*ck... I just went through pretty much the same thing... only yo're paying abuot 100 less than me (I also got 45 dolalrs worth of shocks though)... if the guy put the fuel filter on wrong, you shouldn't pay a dime, take them to court. Can they prove that it was defective?

'Eh, it's probably not worth the trouble...

As far as performance with a new pump and filter? tough to say. I'd say some of your hesitation will be gone, and that it'll pull slightly better at higher RPM's... If you've got a good butt dyno I'd say you -might- notice it...

If you pump was going out over a long period of time (which yours wasn't) I'd say you'd definatly feel a difference.

Good luck man, hope everything goes good for you ride.

 

thanks man , well we gave htem the ok to go ahead and just fix the damn thing, to tell you the truth, my fuel filter was major league OLD, it was very very old, it looked so old that it hadn't been changed since hte car was bought, i used to have some bad hesitation on my car and when i chnged the fuel filter's it was alote smoother than beofre and had 0 hesitation, i also guess that since over time the fuel pump had to squeeze through the clogged up filter that when i put a brand new one it couldn't keep up and busted, "is tha even possible?" well im getting hte car back first thign int he morning, and then im going straight to Don's Hot Rod to buy my power for performance cat and special order my dynomax cat back exaust to install those suckaz because my emission is coming up by the end of the month.