what would be the better upgrade for the $$$? a cam or chip? i have an 85 camero 2.8 5 speed k&ns jacobs omni magnum ign. jacobs wires 2.5in catback & stock muffler for a 350 equip. car.

 

Have fun
Swap in a 3.4.
You're already part way there by removing so much stuff.
Be the second 3.4 5-speed swap!!
PS How's your tranny & clutch?
The 3.4 5-speed went thru his clutch in no time!
I lost my auto tranny about that quickly, too!

 

I would go with Ked on this one.

But with your two options.

... if you can do it yourself. The cam is the better one. First get a better exhaust. Ask about them, these guys know mroe about exhaust than I do.

Then get the cam, install, add roller rockers. Then a chip.

If your not mechanically inclined, the chip would be the best mod, but you need a better exhaust, K&N filter, and a cooler running thermostate for you too see noticable gains with a chip.

But even without those modifications you will see a small increase in power from the chip.

 

haha ya you'll loe a 3.4 with the fiver in it. When I go back to Okc I get my car back with a brand new clutch. Cant weight to see how it feels and how smooth it'll be. All I need now is an aluminum driveshaft on a 373 posi disc rearend. Then I would really be kicking out some numbers.

 

thanx for the advice, but not ready for the 3.4 just yet. car has 93k on it and still runs strong and uses no oil. just looking to pep it up a bit more. have heard u can get close to same results w/either one. both seem to cost about same for the basics just would need a few extra $$$ for cam stuff.

 

dont get a chip til you have a good list of stuff done to your car. intake, exhaust, cam, so you can get a custom built chip and get the most out of it for the money.

 

i have both ... and id say cam is more power for the $$$ i spent ...

both the cam and the chip cost nearly the same ... cam 159 and chip is close ...(im talking hypertech here which is not the best...but im trying to burn my own chips now so that'll be solved soon)

if i were ya ... id go with the Wolverine Blue racer...WG1132K
thats a more agressive cam than the one u have in ur car...plus its 99bucks ...if u cant find that go with Crane 2030 which is basically the same cam..

 

yeah i almost fogot... chip epenses end with just the cost of the chip....(and sometimes a cooler thermosat needed but thats it)

if u were to replace the cam
(U DEFINITELY NEED) and also u need to get a timing chain gasket kit and a intake gasket kit which will run u about 30 - 40 bucks
(OPTIONAL ) it might be a good idea to change ur timing chain which is like 25 bucks

so basically a cam change will run u more $$$ than the chip but also give u more hp/Trq

 

Drive the engine until it dies.
Hop up anything/part that will swap over to a 3.4 block.
Meaning, you will already have a hopped up cam/head set up (created by Crane for GM).
Exhaust/ignition swaps over easy.
AND increases performance, now!.
Replace the chain and rebuild distributor. That's next to nothing in cost & you'll be so pleased for the performance increase.

 

I would push the cam over the chip. Glenn used to come on this board and tell us how the inside of a pre-made PROM is garbage. If you want a chip, go visit the PROM board, and search through their archives. You can buy all the stuff needed to program your own PROMs for $300- the cost of a "good" custom chip from fastchips.com - and, you can keep tuning the chip! I think a bag of 10 proms is $3!

 

dude tomp bag of Eproms is not 3$ its more like 2 bucks for one... its basically a 27C128 IC

and used ICs are bad...for that chip...bcos it usually has a more failure rate if u reprogram it more than once...

 

screw the chip

go with a haltech
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...threadid=93840

they cost a little more but damn they are w orth it

that link above will let you see the demo on how much **** you can tweak

 

thanks for the help. looks like the blue racer is slightly more aggressive than the 2030 but is it compatable w/ the computer?also is premium gas required w/cam like it is w/chip? can i use 1.6 rocker arms w/ these cams?

 

Oh well, $2 isn't bad, either. Thanks for the info on re-using a PROM; I didn't know they were that touchy! Although you can still keep tuning a chip.. you just change the chip and keep your same data, tuned a bit differently...

 

tomp , the thing is those chips are erased by UV and erasign does not do a good job.... though u can use aflash prom which is electrically erased but the ECM that we have the adapter has to be modified to take the Flash chip...

but i agree with ya that 2$ is cheap for tuning ... but the thing is most tuining software does not work for our computers software like tunercat and winbin are native for V8 comps ... though im tryin to program the 91+ computer since the v6 and v8 used the same comp in 91+..to copy one chip to another is easy... but to make mods are pretty hard as no decoder is readily available to do the stuff for us....but im thinkin of puttin more than one pgm on one chip ... how about having a stock , Mild perf , All out perf all on one chip... its like havin STOCK,JET stage 1 , JEt stage II and hypertech Stage 2 all on one chip... but its gonna take some time for me to figure things out... until then im happy with the hypertech that i have...

 

and 85basicblack...

both cams are basically the same except the exhaust lift ....Crane says their cam is 50 state legal ...but blue racer doesnt.. and the reason i bought crane is bcos the blue racer was back ordered till april 10th ... and i didnt want to wait that long..

both are compatible with the stock ECM that we have ... they will work better if u have an after market chip

i know for sure 1.52 rockers will work but im not sure about 1.6 (im not sure if the valve covers will take it or u need more clearence)


cam alone ive not run... bcos i had the chip before i had the cam so i never tested just cam on fuel... but i pretty much guess itll run on 89...but after all the mods i have it started knocking on 89 too now i run 92+ gas...


blue racer is 119 bucks in JCwhitney.com

crane 2030 is 159 from summitracing.com

and incidentaly both are made by crane

i really donno if there is much u can see in the difference between the two...

 

So you're actually working on programming a chip? Cool! The 3.1 & 5.x's only used the same comp from 91-up? I thought that started earlier. Do you have to change your wiring harness? Oh, well, I guess you would, right? Your '89 has a MAF sensor, and 90-up was speed density. Or can the '91 comp take a MAF system?

And, Crane didn't say that cam was 50-state legal a few weeks ago- did something change?

 

crane now seems to have carb numbers on both Jegs adn Summit catalogs ...

and yeah im doing some programming ...

i have the MAF in teh 89... and im not switching it right now cos too much has to change ...

but im experimenting more on C_H_Ds car his is 92 and 92 V8 TPI used the same computer and PROM ('7730) with jsust one byte changed for V6 instead of V8
he is going turbo and he is gonna need the modifeid computer change so im tryin to do something to get that ready..

in the '89 my v6 has a '7302 and the v8 has a '165 actually the '7302 is better than the '165 in many ways

one thing good with the 7302 why i dont wanna swap in the 7730 is bcos of the fact that it allows us to use 2 different streams to reprogram 160baud and 8192 baud

somehow the 7730 does not have the 160 baud which is relatively easy to code/...

im more right now working on making a microcontroller to in Realtime change the PROM Bin something more like the powerprogrammer from Hypertech i hope i get something working

i work on it when i have some time off from school...as far as moding goes my car mostly has every possible mod xcept pulleys and ignition...so i guess i have to work on the PROM now

 

and yeah neither can be swapped to the other without adding /removing the necessary sensors like SD and MAF sensors
and the computer ...

but most other sensors remain the same like IAT

 

Cool; sounds good! Did you let the guys on the prom burning forum in on what you're trying? I bet they'd be interested!

Oh and those CARB #'s in Summit/Jegs aren't for the V6 cam. I posted a website a while ago that shows what those CARB executive order #'s are for, and they're only for v8's. I think it was http://www.arb.gov ? There is no EO# for a cam for our cars.

 

If I had the option of a cam or chip I would hope that if I choose the chip someone would come to where I leave and beat some sense into me. For the ultimate in power you can’t beat valve train mods like CAM, Rockers, ect…

 

i put a post up before i bought the cam tomp at that time everyoone was kinda hazy about the emissions issue and i thought i was better off with the crane...

i think i will pass emissions ... with a cat in my car

but wherre i live right now in IL
i dont haveto worry about emissions

and 85black when ur changing the cam change the chain and timing gear as well

and are ya gonna do it urself ....then i suggest porting the intake like i did... i did some serious porting .in all the manifolds

 

"if u were to replace the cam (U DEFINITELY NEED) and also u need to get a timing chain gasket kit and a intake gasket kit which will run u about 30 - 40 bucks (OPTIONAL ) it might be a good idea to change ur timing chain which is like 25 bucks"

Where's the best place to get all that stuff and 1.52 rockers & valve springs?

All that comes with the cam set is lifters/lube right?

Thanks!

 

the easisst place for chain and gaskets is autozone or some loacal shop

unless ur getting a roller chain from sumit the standard chains practicaLLY THE same...so u can get the std chain from summit

the 1.52s i saw a good price in summit...for roller magnum rockers for like 110 set

 

1992 3.1 v6
ok i was just wonderin about this whole cam thing and which one i should get becuz i wanna get a chip but according to this board i should get a cam first so iw as just wonderin on prices on some cams and where to buy.
Also wanted to know what the exhust system i heard a lot about on this board did for the car and how much it ran for

MODS
k&n air filter
TB Bypass
Flowmaster 80 Series muffler

FUTURE MODS
CAI (on the way)
NEW CAT ( was wondering which was a batter cat to go with and prices?)

 

I'd push a local shop over a chain-type (autozone, pep boys) store. You'll be able to get FelPro gaskets, and it'll probably be cheaper, if not faster. The Pep Boys by me always has to order FelPro, my local "real" auto store always has 'em in stock. Make sure the chain you buy comes with the gears, if not, buy them separately.

Also, you can get those 1.52 roller tip rockers in a kit with brand new hardened pushrods. It's in the comp cams online catalog, and I also posted that kit # on this V6 forum (do a search) a few months ago. I think it added an extra $15 to the price.

 

i think autozone sells FELpro tomp...

felpro intake gaskets with valve cover gaskets is like 23 bucks in stock...

timing chain comes with gears..dynagear i think is what autozone has in stock