IROCZdude

What do you guys think?

1986350

i love the idea lets some more followers!!!!!!

92RS_Ttop

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You're talking about a pushbutton starter?? Its been done by a few, myself included. You just need the pushbutton, a relay, and some wiring. If you want I can post up the wiring diagram I made for mine tomorrow.

Pocket

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I built a system years back for an old V6. The novelty wears off quickly

If you use on,e Id highly recommend using a relay instead of pumping power through your push button switch

vetteoz

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Hard part is jumping in the car and getting your foot on the clutch and into gear before car slows down too much

Gumby

The old fashion trick way was a button under the gas pedal, with the safety removed for the gear selection, you jump in your car and at the same time put it in gear and stomp the gas and speed away from the crime scene. [The ign lock cylinder would also turn without a key.]

IROCZdude

a wiring diagram would be nice

Gumby

Lots of ways to do it, if you are gonna have a 3rd gen for more then a week, spen $20 on the service book. wiring in the back.

the most simple way is just run a 12v wire right to the starter solinode.

long as the key is on, it will start, no need to change anything as is stock.

run a wire from fuse box to button, from button to starter n your done.

vetteoz

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But like Pocket said above;
you don't want to running solenoid voltage through the push button.
Better to us the button to operate the relay ( could rework existing starter enable relay from VATS system)

vetteoz

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Gumby

Someone must not know how they work, the activation side of of it, is a low power small wire, not allot of juice at all. A speaker wire could carry more then enough juice. It is a relay, low amps comes in and activates the high amp side.

92z28camarokid

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I've got a push button start in my car too, still need the key to turn on the fuel pump though

88gunmetalgta

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I'm with ya there. Plus for a person my size it takes way too much effort to make too many 5 minute stops, unless they're all on top of a hill.



The only way I'd install a push button starter is if I could push it once, and it would crank til it starts, (or 5 sec if it doesn't catch). But that would take circuitry beyond my current skillset.

Pocket

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There is a reason your solenoid wire is 10-12ga. Try using 20ga and see what happens

92RS_Ttop

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A push button starter just takes the place of the "crank" position of the ignition key. I don't have the diagram on my home computer(its on my work pc). I'll post it up when I get to work tomorrow.

The way I did it, you can hide the button and it makes a nice little anti-theft measure as it completely disables the start function of the key. Even if the thief rips the ignition cylinder out it will not start.

88gunmetalgta

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I know how to run them that way, so you have to hold down the button til it starts, what I'd like to see is push the button once and the car starts up.


Whats better is a hidden fuel pump switch. Then just leave your keys in the car, and if someone tries to steal it, they only get as far as the fuel in the float bowl will let them!

92RS_Ttop

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Here is the diagram I made up when I installed the push-button start. I basically just disconnected the yellow wire that goes to the start enable relay at the base of the steering column and connected it to a relay activated by my button. I probably could have run it straight through the button since its rated at 30 amps, but I figured the relay was a safer way to do it. And I have a whole bunch of them laying around.


88gunmetalgta - I thought about doing that with mine. It wouldn't be much more difficult than what I did, but with having a manual choke on my carb it doesn't like to start some times. I also had some fueling issues on startup when I did this and it would start and run till the fuel bowl emptied, then I'd have to restart it.

The other problem with letting them get as far as the fuel in the bowls is what happens when they run out. If you live on a hill like I do then they end up ramming the car into something to get it to stop rolling down the hill.

I also can't leave my keys in my Camaro because I shaved the door handles and the remote for the popper is on my keyring.

IROCZdude

thanks everyone!

Mud

Here is a nice kit by StarDrive. It uses rfid. Of course you will need to bypass the vats and steering wheel lockout.

http://www.auto-hub.com/stardrive_pu..._ignition.html

Highwind

Here's another vendor I saw on another forum just today that has a product with similar features and the fob is flat enough to fit in your wallet! I break/crack credit cards in my wallet often so not sure that's a good idea though .

http://www.auto-innovatio.com/magent...ech-st800.html

Gumby

put your wallet in your front pocket, safer in every way.

camaronewbie

Here's something to consider if using a relay and you have a hatch release button ...

The hatch release button gets it's ground for the hatch release relay from the purple starter wire. The purple starter wire is grounded by the starter until the key is tuerned, when it gets 12v+ from the green wire in the NSS.

Now - if you incorporate a relay into a push button start scenerio, and you have a hatch release button, as mentioned it takes very very little (as low as 200 milliamps) to activate a relay. That hatch release button does not ever have enough current through it to activate the starter solenoid, BUT it can get plenty enough current to it to activate a relay.

Thus, you must be careful, or you'll end up with a situation where pushing the hatch release button will run the starter, regardless of the key in the ignition, whether the car is in park or drive, or anything else (since it takes so little current to activate the coil inside a standard SPDT auto relay).

camaronewbie

Push button start is pretty easy in the later cars anyway - if you dig under the driver dash, you'll find a connector with the purple starter wire and the dark green wire together. Looks like maybe it was a connector for a remote start button for the service techs to use in the day. I think you can just wire into that with any standard push button starter switch.

Not sure the NSS has anything to do with this connector or not (in other words, car might start in gear using these wires at this connector), but key would still have to be in ignition and on (since the green wire doesn't get any power without the key).

92RS_Ttop

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I've never had that problem in my Camaro, so I got curious. I checked the wiring diagrams I have, and it appears that it only grounds through that purple wire on F-bodies with an automatic transmission. Manual transmission F-bodies like my Camaro ground through the parking brake switch.