230 firebird

I did the 2.8 to sbc350 swap.Ecm,engine & wire harness all from a running car.Now I have everything hooked up.When I turn the key,I am not hearing fuel pump "prime".Engine does not fire.Did I miss something.Does my existing wires to the fuel punp have to be changed?Anyone had this problem?

Tuned Performance

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Same year harness or different year. C100 might be different.

Aviator857

what car/year is the 350 ecm out of? if its say out of a 89-92 fbody then the ecm has VATS that will need to be defeated.

OrangeBird

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Vats may well be an issue for the OP , but Vats is not keeping his fuel pump from priming (Vats kills the injector pulse and starter only) .

Aviator857

Are you 100% on that, I thought on at least the TBI cars it did the fuel pump also. I distinctly recall not hearing it the one time I tripped it on my car. I've seen both answers. Including the shop manual says disables the fuel pump. Could definitely be other stuff but if the ECU was a vats computer he isn't going to get it running without handling that. If its a vats ecu its going to have to be defeated anyways.

Though on the 89 birds the power for the fuel pump engage at the relay was fed from the ECU, and the ECU received power for that circuit from the little wiring block passenger side beside the radiator in-front of the battery. This ran into the ECU bundle through the passenger fender. Not sure how varied year/year car/car that is but that circuit didn't go through the bulk head connector on my car. (the fuel pump power from the relay did) If that wire isn't getting power to the ECU then it could cause it.

Of course if everything else is right, the power for the pump is fed in the right pin on the c100 then you could always jumper the fuel pump relay and get it running, then trace the pump wiring issues down.

Aviator857

Also the new engine is it TBI or TPI?

230 firebird

Hey guys,The car was an 87 IROC motor and harness came from.The harness has some changes,smog pump has been eliminated.I know that shouldn't make any difference.I had the guy start the car before we made a deal.The engine is a Jasper engines class 2.It is TPI with a lot of performance parts which doesn't matter in this situation.The ECM is supposed to be the one in the car,I bought everything,ECM,harness,engine.All I know is car started before the V6 was removed which was sometime in March.I am figuring vatts should not be an issue,butt I don't know for sure.I have a 87 factory manual to go by for diagrams and such.I can tell you some of the wires I have compared between the 2 harnesses are same colors in same places but that was the power leads from the starter.I will check out the wiring for pump and such this weekend to see if anything is off between the 2 harnesses.I thought this swap would be simple,Boy was I wrong.This is just the latest issue.Thanks for the replys

Aviator857

Yea if the donor ecu/engine is 87 VATS should not be an issue. Maybe post the part number on the ECU someone could tell you for sure if it was indeed a 87.

Smog pump wouldn't have any effect there was no monitoring of it anyways.

Sadly your going to just have to go wire by wire.
Have you checked for any blown fuses, including the secondary fuse block that is behind the computer connector that is hard to get to (not sure the 87 has that 89 does)?

I would start at the ECU check all the hot wires and grounds there first. Did you use the relay original to your car or original to the donor for the fuel pump?
Do you get spark when you try to crank the car?
Buy some noid lights to see if your injectors are firing.
Check the fusible links you could of broken one as you moved the wires into place.
If you have access to the donor car look and see if it had any fuses in place that yours did not (I know the TBI has left and right bank injector fuses for example, not sure if the 2.8 did)

So when you did the swap did you have to cut/splice anything or did you simply plug the new c100, rout the wires to the ECU under the dash, connect the power leads and grounds?

Now one thought... this will not be your root cause but with the 2.8 fuel pump provide enough flow for the new engine?

This is the most complete list of wiring diagrams I've seen online http://www.austinthirdgen.org/?pid=19

Aviator857

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Looking at the wiring diagrams between the two engines in 87, as well as the c100 diagram.

Check the inline fuse follow pin B1 on the ecu orange wire to find the fuse (this fuse I think is beside the battery and is just inline no block).

I don't see the fuel pump in the c100 for 87, so I'm not sure how that wire is routed on 87, where does the tan/white wire run from the pump relay? (if I had to guess off the diagram it goes with the ecu bundle to a connector that splits it out to the ECU feedback loop and then to the fuel pump, so there should be a connector beside the ECU make sure this connector pin out is right)

But if you look at the c100 it appears all were the same except for the L4. This should of been a simple plug and play swap looking at the diagrams.

230 firebird

That"s what I thought,a simple plug & play.Because of my work schedule I haven't been able to check for power at pump yet.I have seen numbers that say fuel pump will provide enough pressure.I think you are right about having to go wire by wire.To answer some questions.I didn't splice anything,pulled 2.8 and entire harness and disconnected ecm.Installed v8 plugged in harness at main bulkhead and connected ECM.I can tell you that the ECM with v8 says "AC DELCO reman" but it is supposed to be the one that was in the car.I do not have access to donor car.One weird thing that I noticed is now my "SERVICE ENGINE' light does not come on when I turn the key and crank the car.I also cant find the fuse by the battery,but I will keep looking.Nothing like that on either engine harness.I used the fuel pump relay that came with v8 but I am told same relay works almost all these cars so I am thinking about using the one from the v6 to see what happens.I WIll get this figured out.Thanks for the help.