89RS_82Z

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pretty much what this title says, will an over advanced engine tend to run hotter than normal ....... i checked mine and it was a little over 12 at idle at operating temp, with the advance thingy wire disconnected i know the stock 0 is to low and they like the 4-8 range, i set it for 6 or 7, and it sounds better and seems to have better power, do not drive the car enough to see if it made a temp differance

i was doing about 230 with it 96 outside, a/c on, fan on, traffic or moving, the air damn and all is on and correct, got an all aluminum radator, even with the ac off and heat on high to try to cool it it only got down to 215 220.

a few thought, get rid of the stant 165 stat and get a mr gasket or something like that, take the darn stat out totaly, maybe the lower hose is collapsing, or the water pump aint up to par

fireturd350

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Too much timing can cause temp issues. It can also cause detonation.

You shouldn't need to pull the thermostat. If anything change it out for a replacement and replace the radiator cap.

If this happened after changing the timing it should be easy enough to reduce the timing and see how it acts.

89RS_82Z

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the cap is new, but i am thinking of getting a high flow one

i dont plan on driving it far till sunday, so i guess i will see then

Orr89RocZ

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how are the fans controlled? They may just need to come on earlier?

ninetyone

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check what temp your fans are coming on at. Is your chip set for a 160 thermo? If so, the driver's side fan (main fan) should come at 176*. Stock fan setting in stock chip is like 210 or 215. Should be coming on at about 15 degrees after your thermostat opens.

89RS_82Z

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by me, on all the time during the summer

but i would think it would cool down at driving speeds and with the heater fan on full blast, just wanted to stay a 215

ninetyone

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a 165 thermostat ,you should be running at like 190* on a hot summer day tops, maybe a little higher with a/c on.

89RS_82Z

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chip is tuned and set up for a 160 stat

ninetyone

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a 165 thermostat ,you should be running at like 190* on a hot summer day tops, maybe a little higher with a/c on.

89RS_82Z

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i know thats why im lost on what to do

Orr89RocZ

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Hows the air fuel mix at cruise? Is it running too lean? Lean chamber temps could cause some overheating of the water/coolant.

Maybe bolt on a air dam extension piece to try and force more air up at cruise?

Rad been flushed? what kind of water pump?

ninetyone

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what does the heater fan have to do with your radiator fan? I mean are you sure your fan is really coming on? Sure your thermostat is really opening on time? or at all? Your gauge may not be accurate either. I would get a mechanical temp gauge from auto zone for like $20 and verify actual coolant temp.

89RS_82Z

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it runs rich all the time lol
rads new, only maybe 3k on it, just a oem replacement pump

i had the heater on trying the get the temp lower, yea i know the fan is on and blowing i can hear it running ........ stat your guess is as good as mine, but i am getting a better higher flow one, but its got to be opening some as you can see it flowing once up to temp. temps are pretty accurate, i hit the hose with the IR thermometer, and its close to the gauge i know its geting hotter than it should be, because the oil pressure goes down some too, what should mean the oil is getting hotter

ninetyone

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Idk man, get a new thermostat and i would verify that your fan is really working the way it should. Can you hear your coolant boiling if you pop the hood? I mean your fan should be cooling down your radiator thus cooling the antifreeze.

TreeFiddy

Do you have the single fan, or the dual? My 86 only had the single, and that wasn't cutting it for the summer temps we get here. Would overheat less than 10 mins from dead cold. Installing twin fans with proper shrouding fixed the overheating - tried all sorts of things but this is what cured it.

89RS_82Z

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im really thinking i need to go that way, i noticed i can go all night when its cool and it never get above 190

ninetyone

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most powerful fan you add is the 3.8 Ford taurus fan. Flows more than an aftermarket fan, much more. Then you add an aftermarket controller to turn it on/off.

ninetyone

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cool...put-3-8-a.html

considering doing it for myself too.lol

89RS_82Z

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-...Q5fAccessories

hmmmm brand new about 100 with shipping

89RS_82Z

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wow the videos on you tube of that fan, its sounds like a hurricane

4500 CFM whew

89RS_82Z

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its got to be my fan is not strong enough

i took the stat out, turned out i allready had a high flow one in it so i left no stat in it, coolent flow is real good

Orr89RocZ

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My car runs fairly hot and with no stat it still runs hot. It turned out I think my rad is too small for the application OR it just wasnt enough fan. I put in better fans and it now runs cool enough in hot weather. It just needed alot more airflow. SO a combination of too small rad and not enough air flow made it overheat. More airflow was needed. Rad i'm not sure if it was too small or not but its stayin in there.

My 383 ran on a reconditioned stock radiator with stock dual fans just fine. Highflow waterpump and 170 stat. That motor didnt have the turbos on it, so the oil stayed cooler and so did under hood temps. Rad was just fine for that.

TreeFiddy

I didn't know about the Ford twin fan when I did mine about 7-8 yrs ago, and they weren't in the wreckers at the time. I trawled the wreckers for the biggest fans I could find that would fit, ended up with the large fan & shroud from 2 Mitsubishi Magna's I think it was.

Together they completely fill the rad area. Fabbed up a retaining bracket assembly to join the shrouds and mount to the rad support. Painted it black and it looks factory. My rad is admittedly a bit iffy - it's an old copper core with a bunch of solder patches, but the combo has worked perfectly ever since.

89rs - fans aside, did you ever reduce your over-advanced timing to rule it out as the cause?

89RS_82Z

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timing is a long story, lol had the wrong connector dis connected, so i guess it was at the factory 0, so i move it to about 4 ATDC, now why it sounded better IDK, the power must of been more in the mind...... anyway upon finding the actual EST plug, i moved it to about 5 BTDC ..... now i can really say i did have more power, lol the proof is in the marks i layed out going into 2nd ........ but i let it sit in the driveway with the a/c on and it got up to 220 again, im sure the rad is up to par, its new all aluminum .......... so its got to be the fan, its blowing, seems pretty good, but i think it could be alot better

ninetyone

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The Ford fan should be just a single fan. Powerful tho.LOL

affordable 442

I have an 87 camaro with a 350 vortec, just R & R'd the timing chain & timing gears, tune-up consisting of new plugs, wires, dist cap, rotor. Followed all the instructions on "ALLDATA" for bringing up on TDC of the #1 cylinder & positioned the timing marks on the gears as instructed, marked the dist. and re-stabbed as directed. The problem is when it is started it runs and sounds like a diesel! Followed the instructions for adjusting the lifters but has shown no improvement. We replaced the timing kit because we determined the old chain was very loose ... when turning the crank by a breaker bar & socket while observing the rotor it was obvious the crank traveled a ways without moving the rotor. But the moter did run and sounded much better than after the timing kit and tune-up was performed. This is becoming the repair from hell ... does anyone have any suggestions. One other thing ... I have noticed that when the distributor is stabbed but the locking bolt is not tightened down, the dist shaft can be moved slightly from side to side (not talking about advancing or retarding).

TreeFiddy

Ah - there is a Ford twin fan that guys have used over here, that comes from a 98+ Falcon, which apparently is pretty much an exact fit. The Taurus one must be different.

affordable 442

Do you have any ideas reference my posting 87 camaro 350 vortec with timing issues after R & R TIMING KIT

ninetyone

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First of all you should be at TDC. THen,All you have to do is make sure one gear is at 6 o'clock and the other is at 12 o'clock. Then after those gears are set correctly. Put your timing cover back on. Then before you install the distributor turn your engine so the balancer is lined up to 6 degrees BTDC at the timing pointer. THen install your distributor. That should get you close and then you can set the timing.

TreeFiddy

Hi Affordable, welcome to the boards - you would probably get a better response if you started your own thread.

If the timing set has been installed correctly as outlined, then it sounds like the ignition timing is really retarded - where's it set at? Is this injected - did you plug the timing connector back in after timing it?

A small amount of side play in the dizzy is normal when not fastened down, it's not supposed to be an interference fit.