MoroteZ28

im always hearing how these dsms (eclipses, lasers, talons, are all fast and unstoppable how badass are these lil 4 bangers?

rx7speed

well talking about the best and easily modded ones the first gens

the N/A's you could beat on a pedal bike
or if you are a fast runner you could take on on foot


as far as the turboes go they are about midd to low 15 second cars

but EASILY modded for more power and if they are AWD they can murder off the line

there is one running in the area that is FWD pulls 105 traps but can only hit a low 15

just think of what traction would do

MrDude_1

thats like saying how fast are thirdgens.


the base models are dog slow.

stock performance ones are swift, but not exactly fast by todays standards.

modded they can be anywhere..... from still slow, to single digit 1/4mile quick.

IROCaholic

I had a 1st gen eclispse turbo for my first car. I wish I would have kept the damn thing. It ran low 15's stock but with about $800 I was running mid 14's(Downpipe,exhaust,intake, boost controller). I could have easily got it into the low 13's with traction for about $1500 more dollars which is a hell of alot less than I have spent on my new motor, rear gears, and suspension in my camaro thats going to run high 13's and get bad gas mileage. Dont get me wrong I love my 3rd more than anything but the 1st gen eclipse/talons are good budget builders. I will probably get another one after I get out of school for the hell of it.

I-Drive-A-Honda

they break down alot. i mean alot.

and mid to low 15's only if properly driven.

Derrick824

Last time I was at the track there was one running low 13's @ 106mph. He would have easily been in the 12's but he didn't have any traction and just roasted the tires all the way through first gear. According to him his only mods were boost controller, a/f controller, bigger fuel pump, and full exhaust. He also said he was running 16lbs. of boost.

Steven89Iroc

Exactly. My '96 AWD (2ndgen, 95-99) ran a 14.8 @ 89 with only two free mods (maybe worth 10hp) at a mile high elevation, which would have been low 14's down here. That was faster than most with those mods though, I can drive.

With much more boost, a front mount intercooler, exhaust, race gas and other minor things it ran 13.14 @ 103.8, still on the STOCK T25 turbo (which is TINY). That was faster than most with those mods though, I can drive. (official T25 record right there )

I went to run it in the 1/4 in it's current form (except before clutch/flywheel upgrade) on race gas and 23 psi, but it was too 'windy' that day so they only ran 1/8 mile.
I ran a 7.80 @ 92, which calculates to a low-low 12 or high 11 at about 115-116 mph with the 1.757 60'. I ran it all the way through anyway, and my turbo timer with G-tech-like functions measured a best of 11.7, but it consistently measures .2 sec fast, so 11.9. DSMlink (kinda like LT1edit or LS1edit) also reported about an 11.9 at 115-116 on my laptop.
Now with my new clutch/flywheel I can launch harder and also have a bit less rotational weight (9 lbs vs 21 lbs). I'm hoping for a solid 1.6x 60' and to officially skip the 12's all together when the weather cools a bit. That's with a 100% stock longblock from intake manifold to oil pan. That's faster than most with those mods though, I can drive.

1stgen (90-94) turbo DSM's are easier to make faster because they have a better head, slightly larger cams, a bigger stock turbo, and weigh about ~150 lbs less on average, though they have less compression (7.8 vs 8.5 for mine).
FWD turbo DSM's can be terrors on the highway when built right, but as the power goes up so does the tirespin.
Non-turbo's DSMs are like any other non turbo FWD 4 banger, can be fast if built right and stripped, but usually aren't.

You own one? Oh, I see you're BANNED anyway so it doesn't matter. While most consider them to be unreliable, it's the same as thirdgens. Unreliable when beat on and not taken care of. I have my experience to speak from, mine hasn't broken in about 3 years and I've beat on it pretty much the whole time, but I also take great care of and maintain it.


Hopefully this gives some insight to the world of DSM's, I like sharing knowledge about it so some people can open up their minds to something other than Chevy once and awhile.

Steven89Iroc

Oh, from another point of view, most people consider them almost unbeatable on the street from light to light because AWD hooks just as good as it does on the strip, but most RWD's run street tires or DR's on the street and they usually still don't hook as good as they do on the strip. I'll agree with most people on that one.

NAAASTY

VERY well spoken. DSMs are NOT something to take lightly. I will give you a tip though (Those who do not know), if you see a DSM that is making funky noises, typically those are running healthy. A dead giveaway for the DSMs that are fun to play with is to look for a Front Mount Intercooler. Like Steven said, the 1G DSMs usually are the monsters because we have the 6bolt motors which are MUCH stronger than the late 1G ---> 2G 7bolt motors. BUT, 6bolt motors can be swapped into cars with 7bolt motors. Typically if a 4G63 7bolt crankwalks (Somewhat common in early 2Gs), the owner will almost ALWAYS get a JDM Galant VR-4 6Bolt to put in.

Oh and Steven, you have the DSMlink eh? How ya like it? I see your 2G in your sig and it looks good. Glad to see Im not the only 3rd Gen owner with a DSM.

Steven89Iroc

Yeah, DSM's typically make funky noises, lol.
A few corrections though, 6-bolts aren't much stronger than 7-bolts, they can handle maybe ~50-100 more hp. As much as they can handle stock, that's not a terribly great difference.

Crankwalk is somewhat common in all 7-bolts (much more common than it should be anyway), not just early 7-bolts. I did a poll on DSMtalk (I'm ALLTRBO on there if you visit), and while unscientific, the results stayed fairly consistent throughout the duration of the poll. According to it, roughly 1 in 4 7-bolts crankwalk. When it happens, most people just get a junkyard 6-bolt to swap, the 'JDM' blocks are the same anyway, the only real difference being the intake mani which is more trouble than it's worth, it flows like 1 more CFM than the 1G intake.

FMIC's are usually a giveaway that someone has something good, but I've been noticing lately as prices on kits go down that more and more people are putting them on early in the mod process, so they still might not be all that fast.

Yeah I have DSMlink, I freakin love it. Nothing like fully tuning your own factory ECM on the fly. (Prominator anyone?) I don't know if you've heard yet, but you're in luck. There is finally a 1G version of DSMlink coming out very shortly. That is much needed in the 1G world.

I love the thirdgen/DSM combo, to me it's the best of all worlds. They truly are two different animals You're the third person I've seen with a thirdgen/1G, so far I'm the only one I know with a thirdgen/2G. I really think more people should experience the fulfillment of the duo, lol.

plum92_camaro

two of my friends had 2nd gen eclipses. One had a GST that he didn't have very long cause somebody pulled out in front of him and then he bought a GSX (both manuals). The other friend has a GST with an auto. He tells me the autos have 10 more pounds of torque. Anyway, the friend with the GSX wasn't ever really into racing, mostly just made it look bad *** but he took it to the strip once with aftermarket intake, piping, and exhaust. He ran a 14.6. Not sure if thats good for those or not but he shifts slow.

My friend with the auto GST and I used to race all the time. Sometimes he'd win. Sometimes I'd win. Depended on temperature. He had the same mods as the guy with the GSX. His car was very inconsistent. His best time at the strip was 15.0. I could run 15.1-15.3 consistently. His times could almost reach 16 seconds if it was hot and he made a lot of runs.

Later on he upgraded the entire turbo system. Problem was he wouldn't tune and the piping and turbo were too big. Lag was atrocious. I swear it took most of the 1/8th to spool. Was't hard to beat him then. I always beat him off the line but with that turbo lag i was too far ahead for him to catch me from then till the bottom end went to hell. The GST hasn't run in a few years. It has been converted to a 5speed though!

project89

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i had a talon in my younger days , was n/a but i did a complete turbo swap , then bought an aftermarket turbo,fmic injectors, and some other parts from a local tuner shop
i never got to drive it since i wasnt old enough to get my licence yet , ended up selling it , wish i would have kept that car

have a friend back home with and awd talon full forged bottom end, ported head, sheetmetal intake, 35r turbo , 272 cams , the car is gutted and caged , thing is a straight up rocket when its not breaking diffs or transmissions