I know alot of people on here have been wondering if you could get the RamJet system without having to buy the whole engine. I was browsing TPI PARTS and took a look in their manifold section, and voila,they have it. Just getting the info out for anyone who has been looking for such a setup.

Ram Jet Vortec Fuel Injection Kit

 

he charges like 9 times what he should for most stuff. Like engine harnesses that cost $250 new from GM a few years ago, $600. And memcals that were $45 new, he wants like $75.. blah talk about taking advantage.

-- Joe

 

Who'd pay that price when you could go and purchase a Stealth ram for less, or if you wanted to spend more money a Mini-ram.

$1600 is insane.

 

GMPP will sell the intake seperate anyways(last I knew anyhow).
- as stated, why spend that kind of money when the HSR is redily available?

 

Ya, that is rediculous, I thought gmpp sells the bare intake for about $400.

 

the new gmpp catalog has individual part numbers for every major pice in the system

and gm parts direct has the whole kit for 1300
P/N 12498032

List 1800
Our price 1310.62

GM Parts Direct: Your direct source for Genuine GM Parts

 

For those of you that don't know me, I'm Angel. I own and operate TPI PARTS.

You are welcome to think what you like, but if you are going to say something that has some merit, don't exaggerate. $250 x 9 is not $600, and $45 x 9 is not $75. Yes, a NOS GM harness ran $200-$300 YEARS ago. I did not buy a bunch years ago to put up for sale today, these have been picked up within a few months. I make next to nothing on them, they are offered on the site only because I get customers from time to time that want to completely restore a thirdgen, and want nothing other than a new factory harness. Have you taken a look at GM's pricing for thirdgen parts recently? Everything is climbing very rapidly, and many items are being discontinued. An ARAP memcal can no longer be purchased through GM, its been discontinued. Isn't that surprising, considering its one of their most popular memcals? Memcals may have been easily bought for $45 years ago, but show me where you can buy one today for that? I would love to see that. Some of them have a GM List price of over $100, like AUJP. $75 is not much above our cost.

You may have been around as an enthusiast for longer than I have, and may be comparing pricing from a long time ago to today. But before you say we are taking advantage of anyone, do some price checking.
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You are comparing an intake, sensors, distributor, injectors, throttle body, fuel rails and regulator to a bare intake?

A stealth ram may be a better choice depending on what you have, and the application, but piecing together everything in the kit along with a stealthram will cost more. Forget about getting even close in cost with a miniram. I would love to see someone put together all the same components, new, with a Stealth Ram for less.

 

No, even a GM dealership can't buy it for $400. GMPP sells the bare manifold, but you get nothing else. No dist, sensors, injectors, tb, etc... GM List on the manifold is $576, and the cheapest I have seen for the bare manifold online is $480.
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Perhaps you are not familiar with how GMPartsDirect.com works. The price you see (the $1310.62), is GMPartsDirect.com's cost. If they sell it to you at that price, they make $0. They make their margin on whats left of the $288 shipping charge once they pay freight. Add shipping, and you are looking at $1598.96. Thats a whopping $1.04 difference from $1600.

 

Those of you that know us or have dealt with us know that we are not the kind of people to take advantage of anyone. I feel like we go the extra mile on a daily basis for our customers, and it bothers me when someone says we are taking advantage of people.

If you feel like we have anything overpriced, I would be the first to want to hear your opinion and discuss it with you. However, don't go around bashing us over something that doesn't hold water.

Thanks,
Angel
TPI PARTS

 

hey buddy every part I have ever bought from gmpd has been cheaper than from any dealer in my area including employee discounts how much they charge for shipping the ramjet unit leaves to be determined (whens the last time you picked one up from them) but assuming your math is correct then he could just get it at summit for 1400

summitracing.com

DONT talk down to me sir I dont appreciate it and will not tolerate it

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't see anything in my post that was rude or insulting...

I never said that gmpd was not cheaper than a dealership. All I said was that gmpd will not sell you the kit for $1310. I would assume that since you have purchased from them in the past, you would know that shipping is a percentage of the price of the part, not actual freight to be calculated on your zip code. With that in mind, I don't understand why you are assuming my math is correct. Just add the kit to your shopping cart for the total. It adds $288 and change to the total.

To be perfectly fair, the $1598.96 from gmpd is shipped to your door, and the $1600 through me does not include shipping. Suppose shipping runs $30, we are talking about $31.04 more than gmpd shipped to your door. Is it the absolute cheapest? No, it isn't. It will be cheaper than most GM dealerships.

Yes, you can get it for $1400 through Summit, Jegs, Scoggin Dickey, Pace, and a bunch of other multimillion dollar operations that all have the same pricing on everything they offer. They have made it impossible for the small business owner in this industry to get close to competing with their pricing on anything that doesn't have a minimum advertised price (set by the manufacturer). The owners of Summit also own a large wholesale distribution company, priced similarly to other wholesale distributors. Wholesale pricing on the same things they sell in their catalog is 3-5% off from what I have seen. No small business can stock and sell anything that has a 3-5% margin. Its just ridiculous. What can I do as a business owner to match that? Nothing that I can see. $31 over gmpd is reasonable, and the kit itself is too often ignored in my opinion by enthusiasts. I have seen countless people spend far more than that, buying everything individually.

 

I throughly understand what you saying but I feel that the phrase Perhaps you are not familiar with how GMPartsDirect.com works is a little harsh for when dealing with a potential customer I will back you 110% with what you are trying to do for the thirdgen community but (my whole family is in the customer service field) I honestly think that you should be slightly more careful when selecting your wording

I know that you cannot do what other places (summit jegs sd etc) can do as far as price thats why your customer service and knowledge of your primary consumer base has to be above and beyond all the rest just my .02$

 

How can you take offense to him saying"Perhaps you are not familiar with how GMPartsDirect.com works", after which he explains how they build their profit margin into the shipping cost? I don't think he could've said it any nicer or more clearly

 

Even though many of you feel that it is not a good deal, you also have to realize that it is a fairly new system. The Miniram was made in the mid-90s and still costs around $895 bare manifold, BARE not including fuel rails.

For the $1600 you pay for the RamJET you get much more, as well you should for the extra $

* Aluminum Manifold (natural finish)
* Small Cap Distributor
* Remote Mount Ignition Coil
* Ignition Coil Harness
* Throttle Body
* Set 8 fuel injectors
* Fuel Rail
* Fuel Pressure Regulator
* Knock Sensor
* Idle Air Control Valve
* Throttle Position Sensor
* MAP Sensor
* IAT Sensor
* Air Filter

Compare that to the miniram for $895
* Manifold

Thats $1200 with the fuel rails. I doubt you can get all NEW, distributor, coil, coil harness, throttle body, set of 8 fuel injectors, FPR, KS, IAC, TPS, MAP, IAT, and open-air filter for $400.

I am not failiar with the stealth-ram so im leaving that out. Not trying to start another flame here, just pointing out some facts.

 

Stealthram as a stand-alone, drop on complete intake with the 950 commander ecu is $2000-$2200. - you get the dfi computer, but no dist.

 

Does anybody make a plug and play harness utilizing a programable ECM that doesn't cost my first born (arm, leg OK but not first born)? Possibly with WBO2? I know of MS2 but not aware of a a complete harness.

 

I dunno but it happened to tweak me more or less I dont like it when people make assumptions.... you making an issue out of it also seems a rather superfluous as well

 

gbodybilly - Commander 950 is prob your best bet, but i am not aware of any that dont cost "an arm and a leg." I'm switching from 746 to 730 ecms (TBI to TPI for those that dont know). Got a complete TBI harness and computer for $50, just to use for spare plugs etc. Got a 730 ecm and MEMCAL for $70 at my local NAPA. Just follow the repinning guide offered by Anesthes and there, el-cheapo plug-and-play harness and computer. Get the Ostrich from Moates for $175, and a laptop off eBay for $50 if you dont have one.

I was considering getting the 950, even had it in the shopping cart at Summit at one point and just needed to click Submit. You need to consider a few things though. 950 doesnt support any emmissions whatsoever. You also have to purchase extra modules to run an extra fan or whatever you need to.

MS is a great system, but also doesnt support emmissions, and doesnt support a knock sensor.

Why spend more money to rip out a perfectly good harness and ecm, only to put in another that actually does less?

ALL of this is assuming you already have an EFI based system in your vehicle. I can understand if you are swapping from carb, then the StealthRam is a killer deal, seeing that the 950 alone can run you $800 and more.

It's all relative to what you started with...

 

.......just a couple thoughts:
- a knock sensor isn't needed.
- many people have run their factory ecu pig-back to support things such as emissions and tq conv. conrtol - then just use the aftermarket ecu to control engine functions as intended.
- as for ripping out the factory harness, if you have decent knowledge, you can remove the factory harness, take it apart and take out what you don't need, then just pin it for the ecu you're using. - anyone who has messed around much with GM wiring knows that things aren't exactly done nearly as nice or a simple as they could be, mostly beacuse of the process of an assembly line. - When I went swapped to my 96 dash and went to carb from TPI, I removed around 30lbs of wiring. It can easily be frustrating, but I wire much better than factory so I wasn't worried. Once I get it back on the road with the new chassis and everything done, I'm going to switch to a megasquirt and a custom intake. Fast or the new accel would be nice, but I'm a poor boy and can't justify the $.

 

^^ You are correct sir. About the harness tho, I meant for instance him buying the 950 commander AND harness, and replacing factory harness witht the 950 one. Pulling the stock one and modifying it for your needs is exactly what I am doing. I know everything will go where it needs to without too much of a headache

 

...us poor boys don't buy extras....