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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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Is there a point to 100$+ wax?

All the waxes people seem to use run below 20$.

I've seen Pinnacle Souveran for 70$, Zymol Concours for 150$ as well as a couple other brands of Carnauba based waxes all retailing quite high. Is there a point to using a wax like that? Is the performance any better or is the price not justifiable considering that a 20$ wax will do pretty much the same thing.

Just wondering, cause there are dozens of threads about wax, but no one had anything to say about the expensive ones (for good reason I guess 70$+ for wax is kinda steep)
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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Here is the shine on my dads '78 T/A with $100 Zaino Bros wax. Its like a mirror. That's factory 27 year old paint.

The factory paint on the hood of my '84 T/A was like sand paper and that wax gave it a mirror shine.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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Without a direct side by side comparison all said testimony is heresay and flim-flam. I think it is one of those things where an auto body shop or such would find some uncle money bags (who doesn't know a whole lot about wax ) and tell him it is the end all magic wax. Rich guy spends money and both get fat, dumb and happy.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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I use Zaino on my 4th gens, and I am thrilled with it.

I have spent many hours of my life detailing my cars, and am very happy w/ the results I get from Zaino.

My 84 gets turtle wax
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Not if you're happy with whatever you are currently using. If you like what you use now, then continue to use it.

I'm a strict Zaino used on my TA. I just like how the car looks when I use it in comparison to any of the off the shelf brands.

But most people who try a higher end polish typically end up staying with them and never go back to the cheaper ones.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Do you guys apply zaino by hand or with a polisher of some sort, like a porter cable?
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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Do you guys apply zaino by hand or with a polisher of some sort, like a porter cable?
By hand. Using a polisher wastes way too much product.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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A polisher should be able to make product stretch farther from what I always hear.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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You need to use so little Zaino to get great results it's not worth it.

I've never used anything that comes off easier then it does. It's not like it's some thick azz Turtle wax or something.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Where do all of you buy this stuff.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

And although it may seem expensive at first. I do alot of car shows and polish my car almost weekly from May to Sept. The kit usually lasts me 1.5 years.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Tibo
Without a direct side by side comparison all said testimony is heresay and flim-flam. I think it is one of those things where an auto body shop or such would find some uncle money bags (who doesn't know a whole lot about wax ) and tell him it is the end all magic wax. Rich guy spends money and both get fat, dumb and happy.
on the contrary. i bought an 04 colorado august of last year. 2 weeks after i bought it i applied ONE coat of regular Zaino. i drove it through the missouri winter, washing and waxing it at the car wash. the only wax its seen since august is the liquid stuff at the car wash. no other coats of zaino or any other hand wax. i washed it last week (still no new zaino on it) and it beaded up just like it did the first time. it also sits outside 24/7 and is subjected to all the weather extremes we do have. ill be applying another coat soon because its time for one (they say that you can go 6 months or so between coats) and i dont expect anything less than the first time.

for my personal opinion, when its clean it still shines like the first day i waxed it also.
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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Zaino doesn't even seem that expensive, its like 15$ a bottle of Z2. You guys are talking about the "complete" Zaino kit with the cleaners and stuff for 100$ right?



Zymols Concour Carnauba is 150$ for 8oz.

Pinnacle Carnauba is 70$ for 8oz.

Thats just for the wax, not counting any other stuff for prep and detailing after.
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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As far as polish goes Zaino is woth the extra $, you can almost dip your hand into the finish
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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Thanks for all the great info, but what exactly is the stuff to buy? the poish, the wax? thanks

adam
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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For everyone looking for that killer shine, in my opinion, it is 90% your paint job, and 10% the detaling products you use on it.
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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I don't compeltely agree. No it's not going to polish a turd into a diamond. But I've seen marked improvement on factory finishes by using Zaino over a Meguires or Mothers polish. And the factory doesn't tend to put the best paint job on cars.
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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I don't compeltely agree. No it's not going to polish a turd into a diamond. But I've seen marked improvement on factory finishes by using Zaino over a Meguires or Mothers polish. And the factory doesn't tend to put the best paint job on cars.

I agree, I have switched between many products and some seemed to give me a slighty better shine. I am just trying to say there is no way with just a detailing product your going to make your paint 5 times better or anything.


If the paint has not been kept up with (swirls, oxidation..etc), then I do believe there is a chance you can turn that turd into a diamond with the right products.

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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 01:35 PM
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But if you take paint that is in good condition, all things being equal, will something like Zymols Concours (150$) give you a noticeably better look than say a 20$ bottle of Meguiars.

As Karps mentioned above, people who use high end products tend to stay with the high end product. But is that because they have convinced themselves that their more expensive product must be better just because they spent so much money, or is the performance really better.
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