Body General body information and techniques for restoration, repairs, and modifications.

Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

Old 02-03-2019, 04:51 AM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
RocketGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Smoky Mountains of TN
Posts: 12
Car: 2005 Mercury Montego
Engine: 6 Cylinder
Transmission: Too much overdrive.
Axle/Gears: No idea.
Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

I have been away for some years since I sold my minty 1988 IROC. In between, I had a C5 for a little while, life caused me to sell that also. Well, I cannot go too long without my muscle cars, so I am in the market again. I got excited, I thought I found one not too far from home.

It is harder to find a gen 3 or gen 4 in the South than it was in the North east. Up north, there were a lot more put into garage storage and preserved, most that I find down here are used up pretty good.

Anyway, this one is over an hour away and I appreciate that the guy sent me the pictures I asked for. There is some sub-frame (I think) damage underneath. Certainly, it is not pretty. My biggest concern is if it could throw off any of the geometry, ride, tracking, etc. I can't help but think if the thing went off the road at some point, it had to have beat the crap out of the front end. I am not sure about how much it can be repaired after that.

I read a couple of other threads that some sub-fame damage could be from being jacked up. Sounds odd, but it would be great if it was harmless.

What do you think?

On its own, this does not look too bad, but combined with the other picture, I don't know.

I don't like the way this looks.
RocketGirl is offline  
Old 02-03-2019, 05:32 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Florida
Posts: 889
Car: 1991 Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: auto
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

It almost looks like damage from blocks? Maybe someone stole the rims and tires at some point. The pics are kinda fuzzy but is doesn't look like it happened on the road, just my opinion. The car can get damage there from jacking but that looks to buggered for that. As far as it hurting the car, I think it won't affect the way it drives or tracks unless the frame has been pushed inward.
vinny R is offline  
Old 02-03-2019, 07:41 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Saxondale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: WI/MN
Posts: 573
Car: 1984 Z28
Engine: L69
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 7.5 3.73:1
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cama...-a.htmlI'd be inclined to wait for another car. If you have doubts, then the next person may have doubts. Would be more difficult to resell.

Just did my typical Craigslist Camaro search of Tennessee and area. I agree your options are fewer compared to other states. The listings of good cars was slim. If you can save a little longer for travel money and expand out of your area the payoff will be greater.

Hold off for one that looks like this underneath.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cama...85-z-28-a.html


Edit: Ha!. Just noticed you posted in the above thread.

.

Last edited by Saxondale; 02-03-2019 at 07:55 AM.
Saxondale is offline  
Old 02-03-2019, 08:03 AM
  #4  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
RocketGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Smoky Mountains of TN
Posts: 12
Car: 2005 Mercury Montego
Engine: 6 Cylinder
Transmission: Too much overdrive.
Axle/Gears: No idea.
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

Saxondale I probably would have that one home by now if it were not for distance and winter road conditions. Even trailering it, could still get a slurry of salt and road debris coming that distance.
RocketGirl is offline  
Old 02-03-2019, 08:06 AM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
RocketGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Smoky Mountains of TN
Posts: 12
Car: 2005 Mercury Montego
Engine: 6 Cylinder
Transmission: Too much overdrive.
Axle/Gears: No idea.
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

Resale does tend to be an issue with me too. I will buy a car with the best of intentions of keeping it for the rest of my life, then life will get in the way and I will need to sell it. I suspect that nastiness, even if it does not impact drivability, would cause it to sit in my driveway too long if I needed to sell it quickly.
RocketGirl is offline  
Old 02-03-2019, 08:08 AM
  #6  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
RocketGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Smoky Mountains of TN
Posts: 12
Car: 2005 Mercury Montego
Engine: 6 Cylinder
Transmission: Too much overdrive.
Axle/Gears: No idea.
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

I would consider a 4th gen 1999-2002 LS1 also, but those are still few and far between in TN. When I do find them, they tend to be overpriced in this area because they are scarce.
RocketGirl is offline  
Old 02-04-2019, 05:40 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: South Windsor, CT
Posts: 541
Car: '89 GTA
Engine: 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 3.70:1
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

That looks like floor jack damage from using a jack with a small puck and no blocks. It shouldn't cause any structural or alignment issues, but it just looks a little ugly. For me, it would depend on the condition of the rest of the car and the price. If the rest of the car was super nice, low mileage with a high asking price, I would probably move on. If it's a nice driver with 100K miles for a reasonable price, I would still consider it.
TransamGTA350 is offline  
Old 02-04-2019, 06:22 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
dagwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Rockwell City, Iowa
Posts: 893
Car: 1982 Z28
Engine: LG4 305
Transmission: Auto
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

It doesn't look like anything major to me, either. I work at a body shop.
dagwood is online now  
Old 02-04-2019, 06:39 PM
  #9  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
RocketGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Smoky Mountains of TN
Posts: 12
Car: 2005 Mercury Montego
Engine: 6 Cylinder
Transmission: Too much overdrive.
Axle/Gears: No idea.
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

Originally Posted by TransamGTA350 View Post
That looks like floor jack damage from using a jack with a small puck and no blocks. It shouldn't cause any structural or alignment issues, but it just looks a little ugly. For me, it would depend on the condition of the rest of the car and the price. If the rest of the car was super nice, low mileage with a high asking price, I would probably move on. If it's a nice driver with 100K miles for a reasonable price, I would still consider it.
I kind of already told the guy I was not interested. But just curious, the body and paint are in great shape, 130,000 miles, auto, regular top - not t-top, mostly oem, interior good, dash is torn up pretty bad, not original steering wheel, $8500. I think that is high compared to some one here, but since they are so hard to come by here in TN, prices are a little higher. What do you think?
RocketGirl is offline  
Old 02-04-2019, 07:06 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: South Windsor, CT
Posts: 541
Car: '89 GTA
Engine: 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 3.70:1
Re: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage

Originally Posted by RocketGirl View Post
I kind of already told the guy I was not interested. But just curious, the body and paint are in great shape, 130,000 miles, auto, regular top - not t-top, mostly oem, interior good, dash is torn up pretty bad, not original steering wheel, $8500. I think that is high compared to some one here, but since they are so hard to come by here in TN, prices are a little higher. What do you think?
Doesn’t sound too bad. If the body and paint are nice and interior is nice, stock 16” wheel in good shape, no rust, TPI (not carb or TBI), mostly stock and unmolested and everything works (power windows/locks/seat/etc, A/C, lights, etc) the price isn’t out of line. Would need to really check it out in person though.
TransamGTA350 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Chevy86 IROC-Z
Interior
47
09-04-2012 05:21 PM
91B2L
Northern Great Plains and Rocky Mountain
10
12-11-2003 12:46 AM
MarkB
Pacific Northwest Region
56
08-01-2002 11:00 AM
Jim 86 Bird
Body
1
01-09-2002 12:40 AM
Blazin91Z28
Auto Detailing and Appearance
13
02-16-2001 01:27 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Opinion Needed: IROC Subframe Damage


Advertising
Featured Sponsors
Vendor Directory

Contact Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: