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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 06:38 AM
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Speaker Set up Question.

In the future when I get my Camaro on the road. I'd like a subwoofer setup in the car. I am rather confused about how I should go about with the subwoofer setup.

I am thinking about doing this. (Pic below) But I am concerned if the sound quality would be affected. Will it sound cheap and make unessesary noise? I dont want to build an enclosure into the storage area because i'd need it for tools and other odds an ends.


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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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yes, you could build a baffle board. Just make sure it seals all the way around, so you don't have cencellation issues. Then, look for a driver, that will play in a freeair setup, since it won't be in an enclosure.
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Make sure it seals

If I ran a baffle board I think I'd also try to latch it on the sides to keep the woofers from lifting it.
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Baffle board sounds good ONLY if the hatch is closed! It sounds good, but the boxes sound soo much better.

Are you thinking about building a box where your back seat is?? I am just not sure, because you mentioned you need the storage space for your tools!
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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hmm... so you build a baffle board, and seal it to the plastic. let me ask you something, what is behind that plastic? yep AIR!! you cannot really seal a baffle in the hatch. the mouldings will prevent it. it might sound decent, but trust me, a bx will sound better.

here is the plans for a good box that someone posted on here a while ago and I saved. It is what I have and works great.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...sures-com-done

if that link dont work, send me a PM and Ill Email it to you.
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ok, just reread your post and you dont want to loose the storage space... good luck then.

Last edited by Stealthy-One; Feb 22, 2007 at 08:24 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by xlwhellraiser
Baffle board sounds good ONLY if the hatch is closed! It sounds good, but the boxes sound soo much better.

Are you thinking about building a box where your back seat is?? I am just not sure, because you mentioned you need the storage space for your tools!
No I wont be building a box where the seat is. Need that space for passengers. lol


Stealthy-One, Thanks I saved that How to awhile ago. Chances are I might just go with the Baffle-board. If that doesnt work out, I might just find some sort of single woofer set up.
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 01:59 AM
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I had the board in my previous car. It sounded really nice. If you keep the hatch closed (which you should while driving anyway) it should should sound really nice.

Building a box is something that should be concidered. I had a baffle board, and my good friend had a box. They sounded, to my rookie ears, roughly the same. However, when he opened the hatch, his sounded just like it did closed, and mine faded away quick.

Also, are you looking for something that has a clear and nice sound, or a throaty base??? Baffle board might be better for just the base, from my experience.

Ofcorse you will have "experts" here telling you whats better and getting into math, but for a decent, really Nice sound a baffle board aint that bad!
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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Im just looking for something that sounds good. Deep and Throaty, and still be able to thump out the bass.


Actually, just anythign that would make my Metal sound good. \m/ I'm pretty much a n00b to Audio.
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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i use 10's for rock casue they hit a little better , i use type r 10's and a friend had 12's thats how i tested it
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 10:31 AM
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tbh.. i think that would sound like trash... why not just put 1 nice sub in there? maybe a 10, in a little box that wouldnt take up that much room... would sound far better than just a plate imo
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 02:09 AM
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It wouldnt sound like trash. I've used it for 2 years. It sounds quite good actually.

I've listened to both designs for quite a long time. The only difference you can really tell is when the hatch is open. Once is closed i can't tell the difference!

This is running 2 12' subs on a plate. and 2 10's in a box.

You will be happy with the plate. By your expectations, you will probably be delightfully suprised of how it sounds with just the plate!
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 06:05 AM
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I am running an older powered Kenwood 10" sub (with an infinity sub, kenwood sub fell apart with age) and it sounds really good and takes up very little space and doesn't require an amp.
I paid $75 for the Kenwood used about 3 years ago and $35 for the infinity sub last year.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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Plates suck.

As mentioned above, the only way to make them sound halfway decent is to make sure that the well area is 100% sealed. The problem is, that's more work than just building a damned box.

Even if your plate seals snugly around the interior plastics and the gas tank hump, you still have nothing except that flimsy, poor-fitting plastic between the front and back wave of the sound because that plastic is all that's between the well area and the spare tire area, which again only has the plastic separating it from your interior.

Aside from fiberglassing and damping the hell out of each plastic piece, and bolting them all together, there's no way to effectively seal off the bottom of your well without a conventional enclosure, and no matter what anybody says, plates do NOT sound good. They're sloppy, and your sound will distort even at low power levels. You'll assume that your amp is underpowered, but in reality it's the subs over excurting because of the lack of air mass that a proper box provides.

I have a much more in-depth explanation in my tech article:
http://www.iroczone.com/technical/Subwoofer/
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim85IROC
Plates suck.

As mentioned above, the only way to make them sound halfway decent is to make sure that the well area is 100% sealed. The problem is, that's more work than just building a damned box.

Even if your plate seals snugly around the interior plastics and the gas tank hump, you still have nothing except that flimsy, poor-fitting plastic between the front and back wave of the sound because that plastic is all that's between the well area and the spare tire area, which again only has the plastic separating it from your interior.

Aside from fiberglassing and damping the hell out of each plastic piece, and bolting them all together, there's no way to effectively seal off the bottom of your well without a conventional enclosure, and no matter what anybody says, plates do NOT sound good. They're sloppy, and your sound will distort even at low power levels. You'll assume that your amp is underpowered, but in reality it's the subs over excurting because of the lack of air mass that a proper box provides.

I have a much more in-depth explanation in my tech article:
http://www.iroczone.com/technical/Subwoofer/
That point is totally valid, but I still disagree with your statement of it "NOT Sounding good". Like I said in my previous posts. There will be people that back everything up with math, and thats cool. Their information is correct. However, for your average joe a plate sounds very good. I don't use math for music. Its actually a lot simpler. I listen to different configurations in real life and make my decision. You can't say something sounds bad without looking to whom you are explaining why? The original poster simply wants something decent and inexpensive. The plate sounds very decent. It does not sound good if the hatch is open, but it acutally sounds very decent with it closed.
I know this has been debated over and over again, and I am sure as heck not trying to be an ******* to anybody. But, there are a lot of third gen owners just like me who want a decent system, some thump and for it not to cost to much. Also, I would take the plate over a box simply because of weight reasons!
Its not that bad!
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