Carburetors Carb discussion and questions. Upgrading your Third Gen's carburetor, swapping TBI to carburetor, or TPI to carburetor? Need LG4 or H.O. info? Post it here.

help cleaning vac lines

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 08:47 PM
  #1  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
help cleaning vac lines

okay so here is the deal, im new to carb, and i need this thing cleaned up, emissions are no longer on the car, i want to remove everything that is not needed. I want to see hardly any lines.

here is what i am dealing with







can anyone help me out?

diagrams are very much so welcome. the good ol' MS paint and the red line word wonders.

Thanks, in advance.

Matt
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 09:32 PM
  #2  
five7kid's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 43,187
Likes: 43
From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
There are some vacuum diagrams on the FAQ forum, including some Canadian models.

Bundling and possibly relocating some things is about all you can do.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 11:13 PM
  #3  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Originally Posted by five7kid
There are some vacuum diagrams on the FAQ forum, including some Canadian models.

Bundling and possibly relocating some things is about all you can do.
i cant just get rid of it all?
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 11:24 PM
  #4  
Apeiron's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 20,981
Likes: 11
From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
Car: 1984 Z28 Hardtop
Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Not all of it.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2008 | 11:43 PM
  #5  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Originally Posted by Apeiron
Not all of it.
what can i get rid of?
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 12:12 AM
  #6  
Apeiron's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 20,981
Likes: 11
From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
Car: 1984 Z28 Hardtop
Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Re: help cleaning vac lines

You need the plumbing associated with the vacuum advance, TCC vacuum switch, brake booster and PCV system. You might as well keep the Thermac system, since you can't see it with the air cleaner on anyway. You could lose the evap canister, but it's really not hurting anything and the factory setup has the PCV and TCC switch plumbed through it.

Nevermind the TCC part. I thought I saw the switch for it in your pics but now I see you have a T5.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 11:47 AM
  #7  
five7kid's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 43,187
Likes: 43
From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
I would start with the wiring. You've got spark plug wires going all over the place, and primary wiring strung around bare. I got some wire looms from Made For You that mount to the valve cover bolts, they really help clean things up. I used universal wires that were trimmed to length so they could be routed cleanly. That's a big start.

You still have the EFE TVS on the thermostat housing. Since you have headers, you don't have an EFE valve. That line needs to be plugged at a minimum, but you could get rid of both of those TVSs since you don't need the vacuum advance retard, either. Just get a plain thermostat housing.

You do need to get that PCV valve mounted in the valve cover. Can't tell for sure from the picture, but it looks like the driver's side cover is mounted backwards. You could get a cap that allows the PCV valve to be mounted into it, but that may be more hassle than necessary.

You seem to have a weird mix of 3rd gen factory, older factory, and aftermarket stuff on there. That isn't necessarily a problem, but you need to understand what the different parts are supposed to do, which will allow you to eliminate stuff you don't need, and clean up what remains. I would keep the charcoal canister - it's a functional piece that doesn't hurt anything. Otherwise, you don't have much of what so many people would consider "smog junk".
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 11:55 AM
  #8  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Originally Posted by five7kid
I would start with the wiring. You've got spark plug wires going all over the place, and primary wiring strung around bare. I got some wire looms from Made For You that mount to the valve cover bolts, they really help clean things up. I used universal wires that were trimmed to length so they could be routed cleanly. That's a big start.

You still have the EFE TVS on the thermostat housing. Since you have headers, you don't have an EFE valve. That line needs to be plugged at a minimum, but you could get rid of both of those TVSs since you don't need the vacuum advance retard, either. Just get a plain thermostat housing.

You do need to get that PCV valve mounted in the valve cover. Can't tell for sure from the picture, but it looks like the driver's side cover is mounted backwards. You could get a cap that allows the PCV valve to be mounted into it, but that may be more hassle than necessary.

You seem to have a weird mix of 3rd gen factory, older factory, and aftermarket stuff on there. That isn't necessarily a problem, but you need to understand what the different parts are supposed to do, which will allow you to eliminate stuff you don't need, and clean up what remains. I would keep the charcoal canister - it's a functional piece that doesn't hurt anything. Otherwise, you don't have much of what so many people would consider "smog junk".
I agree the spark plug wires need to be cleaned, i have cut to fit wires waiting to go in with the looms, but theirs no point of putting them in until the rest is clean, so i can route them nicely.

yea i think ill need to pick up a new thermostat housing so i can get rid of EFE TVS valves and lines.

And yes the PVC valve is not mounted, i need to pick up a new grommet for the valve covers, and also need to get new hose for the PVC valve, thats why thats not complete there.

I didn't do the motor swap, but it used to have a V6 in the car...Somewhere along the life of this car it got a 305. The 305 wont be staying in for long, but i just want to screw around learn a bit about the carb, everything else i am fine with. Ive built motors before, just they were fuel injected, and not carbed.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 03:46 PM
  #9  
KYLE87's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Car: 1987 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Re: help cleaning vac lines

what are the? EFE TVS valves and lines.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 04:21 PM
  #10  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Early fuel evaporation-thermal vacuum switch.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:09 PM
  #11  
KYLE87's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Car: 1987 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Re: help cleaning vac lines

can someone cirlce what it is in the pic?? I have headers on mine and if thats not needed im gonna get it out of there.
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2008 | 01:38 AM
  #12  
Tysonx's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: Alberta, Canada
Car: 1984 firebird
Engine: v8 5.0L 305
Transmission: 5 speed
Re: help cleaning vac lines

I'd think about washing it. Just for a start, it’s amazing what a wash can do for your car and engine compartment, then rerouting/tidying wiring first. Then vacuum.
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2008 | 01:47 AM
  #13  
userchemical's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 4th gen auburn 3.42 disc
Re: help cleaning vac lines

Originally Posted by Tysonx
I'd think about washing it. Just for a start, it’s amazing what a wash can do for your car and engine compartment, then rerouting/tidying wiring first. Then vacuum.

i would if the 305 was staying in there. I know in saying that why do i care to clean it up, well the cars been sitting for a few years, and a lot of lines are useless and broken. So it needs to be done either way.
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2008 | 04:03 PM
  #14  
five7kid's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 43,187
Likes: 43
From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Originally Posted by camaropunk
can someone cirlce what it is in the pic?? I have headers on mine and if thats not needed im gonna get it out of there.
The do-dads on the thermostat housing.
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2008 | 04:18 PM
  #15  
KYLE87's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Car: 1987 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Re: help cleaning vac lines

The two sensors??? Im confused I dont see how headers or manifolds effects that?
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:44 PM
  #16  
scooter500's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 598
Likes: 2
From: Hampton, Virginia
Car: 87 Camaro Z-28
Engine: 305 LG4 w/ E4ME carb
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: help cleaning vac lines

the TVS switch in this post is pictured in the bottom picture - look for the end of the radiator hose where it connects to engine; that funny looking vacuum switch has 2 lines. the switch should open under 80degrees (F) IRRC. when it opens it allows vacuum between the carb and a vacuum-valve thing (name?) on a stock exhaust manifold near oil dip stick. the idea is that hot gas is available to carb to heat up the inside of the carb early and get it working more efficient sa fast as possible. but headers don't have that vacuum-valve (name?) so TVS switch and 2 vacuum lines could go
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2008 | 01:56 PM
  #17  
five7kid's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 43,187
Likes: 43
From: Littleton, CO USA
Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
The pictures on this thread don't show sensors, it shows thermo vacuum switches in the thermostat housing.

The "early fuel evaporation" valve, EFE on the vacuum diagrams, doesn't warm up the carb. It warms up the intake plenum floor so fuel doesn't condense in the intake manifold.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
gixxer92
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
5
Sep 1, 2015 04:32 PM
mdtoren
TPI
12
Aug 23, 2015 12:52 PM
Dialed_In
Firebirds for Sale
2
Aug 20, 2015 01:45 PM
wayshegoes
Tech / General Engine
8
Aug 17, 2015 12:00 PM
mdtoren
Tech / General Engine
0
Aug 16, 2015 05:45 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:00 AM.