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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 06:25 PM
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What can i do with $5000

alright i'm setting alimit on $5000, i want a 350 Chevy engine, brand new, with 330HP and as much torque asd i can get. And i'm keeping to TPI intake manifold.

I was thinking the GM Goodwrench 350 long block for $1,495.95 to start.
YOu guys tell me everything i'll need to get me to that horsepower rating. This is without NOS(the bottle is for babies), and a supercharger. I want strait engine. If i need a bigger enigne then fine tell me, but i'm keeping the TPI intake manfold.

I'm keeping the TPI intake maifold to make the swap ten times easier on myself. I'm not the best mechanic but i'm not in the mood for buying a used LS1 and having to redo all the electronics, i want the TPI and 330HP.

Tell me everything i'll need to get or exceed 330HP, i'm talking cams, heads, headers, everthing. This will continue to be a daily driver though. I'm only 16 and i dont care about gas money at all, least of my wories.

TOTAL BALANCE CANNOT EXCEED $5000


thanks even if you cant help me but please try to.

shane
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 06:51 PM
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5k can build a very nice motor.

buy a block and have the maching work done
buy a 383 rotating assembly
some afr heads
and a LPE 219 cam or simlar

then you should be able to afford a HSR intake, with the rest of the money. it will allow the engine to breath, a stock TPI will choke an engine like that bigtime.

that should give you atleast 330hp
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:27 PM
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alright i know basic engine mechanics but i'm not at all advanced.

What does "buy a block and have the maching work done" mean?

Whats a "buy a 383 rotating assembly?"

Will the HSR intake manifold plug right up to the TPI intake manifold wiring harness?

and with all this, how much money are we looking at spending, ballpark figure?
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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also, a 383 is quite expensive and i'm not sure with that and a stealth ram, $5000 wont cut it.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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I was thinking the GM Goodwrench 350 long block for $1,495.95 to start.
YOu guys tell me everything i'll need to get me to that horsepower rating.
Get rid of it, and use the remaining $3505 to build something with some decent heads and some pistons that supply compression and a cam ..... that has lobes instead of nubs.

A better strategy, if you're set on buyimg a motor from GM, is to get the 350HO and the Scoggin-Dickey TPI base for it, assuming that you can get through inspection where you are without EGR (i.e. your locale has no visual inspection only sniffer), and that you can reprogram the chip accordingly. You'll probably want some other cam than the one that's in it.

You'll need a set of headers, a high-flow cat, and a cat-back. I'd recommend SLP 1¾" headers.

You may need more than just engine work to make your car fast. That's a typical newbie blind spot, is that there's a whole lot of stuff that can slow a car down besides just its horsepower. Gears and a torque converter can work near-miracles.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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i wasn't exactly set on a GM engine i was just thinking that, butr was tkaing advise from you guys.

So where can i buy a decent 350 engine to bore it out and make it a 383 stroker?
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by RB83L69
Get rid of it, and use the remaining $3505 to build something with some decent heads and some pistons that supply compression and a cam ..... that has lobes instead of nubs.

A better strategy, if you're set on buyimg a motor from GM, is to get the 350HO and the Scoggin-Dickey TPI base for it, assuming that you can get through inspection where you are without EGR (i.e. your locale has no visual inspection only sniffer), and that you can reprogram the chip accordingly. You'll probably want some other cam than the one that's in it.

You'll need a set of headers, a high-flow cat, and a cat-back. I'd recommend SLP 1¾" headers.

You may need more than just engine work to make your car fast. That's a typical newbie blind spot, is that there's a whole lot of stuff that can slow a car down besides just its horsepower. Gears and a torque converter can work near-miracles.
I'm already thinking about geting a 4th gen rear end besides the 5 grand, plus a couple of other things too, but i wasn't thinking a new torque converter.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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also tell me where to find this tuff guys, when you say lobes i have no idea what that is. Give me a link to follow or something, i'm a n00b at building an engine but i can take it apart and put it back together. I know the physics of engine jsut not what in the engine makes them faster.
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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what kind of cam would you recommend for the 350 HO, over having the stock one in it?
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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if i were you i would just give the 5g's to me! dont worry ill use it for you. yup becouse im a good friend .
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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 11:06 PM
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scoggin-dickey sells a 350 with vortec heads and tpi intake with 357hp and 416lb-ft for $3399.95
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 04:56 AM
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that scoggin-dickey engine is my solotion and for the price you cant pass that thing up. All i need todo is get 350 intake runner, 350 injectors, and 15/8 inch headers. I mean it pulgs right up to my current TPI manifold right? This is sweet. Thanks for the suggestion d00d.

I give my props to kairles
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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hey um, with that scoggin-dickey 350 Vortech engine, will i be able to use my current distributor, and current accessory pulleys? Well minus the emmision shizznatch, and the a/c, will it all fit on to this engine?

Also with that much power do you think it wil actually lift the front end of the car off the ground? Or maybe just the suspention gets relieved but no actuall lifting is done? That would still be awesome.

All i need is about $4400(true price $4338.85) for the entire setup with everything that they recomment(runners, injectors, and headers), and well truck frieght is about $183 on the engine, thats included too.

The coolest this is it will plug right up, same mounts same everything. It uses the TPI intake manifold and plugs up the same, i'm thinking also with no adjustments. Will i need to reprogram the PCM/ECM? I'm not that advanced. I'm also currious to if my 700R4 will even work with this thing? Its gonna be a daily driver(not caring about gas usage) and i might drag maybe once a week or less. Will is Blow it up still?

If i need a new tranny, what should i get, im never switching to a manual. I like auto too much. Should i wait for the new 7 speed automatics that are coming out with the new corvettes, and put it on there?

alright enouhg questions for now, peace

shane
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Man this is gonna take me close to a year to finish saving up but i'm gonna do it with this engine, no matter what else i have to buy.

I make $7 + tips, and work atleast 28 hours a week, so half of my pay check goes to insurance usually and the rest goes to me.

Hmmmmmmmmm, 28 more paychecks, i can just imaging this engine. Wait i forgot, my rents said that they could sell my old engine for atleast $1000, so maybe a little earlier that i thought. Well its still close to a full yeah until i have enough money.
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Old Jan 5, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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everyone stop reading my topic now?
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Old Jan 14, 2004 | 04:34 PM
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im building my own motor you could go that way if you wanted. im not sure about the price difference between one already built and one you build yourself. but i'm doing it to say that i did it and with numbers 444 hp at 6000 rpms and 440 peak torque at 4500 rpms at the flywheel. all for under $3000 you cant beat it i dont think. i may be wrong im only 19 and this is my first build. but it keeps me busy and motivated to get it done. also the engine isnt the only thing on these cars that need to be upgraded look into rebuilding your suspension you'll need it. especially on an 86 if you havent done so already. subframe connectors are a must on these cars. well if you have anything else i can give my opinion on just let me know.
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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I am thinking of doing someting very similar. I have 92 Rs that I want to keep as my daily driver, but when I save up enough money I want to buy a 91/92 Z28 with a L98 and start to rebuild the motor with Vortec Heads, Roler rockers, hot cam and get some SLP headers and replace the suspension to make a nice weekend cruiser with around 400 hp. I want to keep the TPI setup also, But the only vortec base plate manifold i've found is $400. kinda steep for a intake manifold, imo.
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Old Jan 16, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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yeahnow i'm thinking even harder about this setup. People are asking me to drag them already.... was gonan drag a 97 Blazer with vortec V-6, but that too close of a race to be putting $200 down on it. gonna have to wait until i can goto jax raceways and get it done on the clock.
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