calgutie

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So Im going to be purchasing a set of Hooker 2055'S but just wanted to know real quick whats the big difference between these...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hooker+Headers/520/2055/10002/-1

and these:

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hooker+Headers...055-1/10002/-1

I wanna do my headers right...so is it worth the extra $$?

ghost91

The first ones will rust eventually.
The second ones will last alot longer, with minimal rust or none at all.

calgutie

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hmm...but as in performance wise i should be good with the first ones right??its just more for looks on the second pair right?

and PS: I love your car picture...lol

87350IROC

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The ceramic coating will prevent a whole bunch of heat from getting dumped into your engine bay and surrounding components. Near by fuel lines won't get as hot, plastics and nearby hoses will last longer, ect...

I would go for the ceramic coating.

calgutie

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alright cool thanks 4 the info

ghost91

Haha thanks for the compliment on the pic. and to add to what was said. you'll be a lot better off with ceramic coated than the painted. performance wise...not much a difference. but.that's if your willing to. spend the $ good luck.

ringo234

Better yet get these from Dyno Don, the best headers out there:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...n-headers.html
The only 1 3/4 primaries available for our cars.

ghost91

^What he said

calgutie

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now the question is how much do they run?

ghost91

Headers and y pype... about 650 to 700. PM don on here and he'll give you the details. sorry i messed up the numbers haha

T/Aperformance

That is just you opinion about dyno dons headers not a proven fact, I my self would never use those over price over rated headers, The hookers Are a good choice, ceramic coating will help with heat and last longer as stated and the performance is a bit better But you will also keep said performance over the years as there will be less rust preventing flow

anesthes

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They don't rust on the inside...

The Dyno Don headers don't look bad. Are they stainless? It's too bad SLP doesn't make headers anymore. The stainless 1 3/4 slp headers were fantastic.

-- Joe

ghost91

From what I've read and seen as a proven fact....Dons headers are better than any other headers available for our cars. Dyno numbers have proven and 1/4 mile times. Do I have them? No. But it's all over this website that they are proven better than any other shorty exhaust header available for purchase. It's just if your willing to spend the money for the best. Don't get me wrong, hookers are great headers, but they don't come in 1 3/4 like dons do.

DBLTKE

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I gained 6mph in the 1/4 just from adding Dyno Don's headers. They fit perfectly and the Y-pipe tucks up higher than stock, even higher than the subframe rail. The Y-pipe hangs lower than stock on the 2055's. For the same price as the 2055's I would definitely get Dyno Don's.

Guest

Their not the same price, theirs a HUGE price difference...

anesthes

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This is the problem with reviews on this site. Feedback, on a car running 14s at under 100 mph.. I've tuned stock L98 cars that have ran that..

Who has compared these headers that's in the bottom 10s ?

There is not a whole lot you can do from one header to another in the same tube size. I'd expect them to work exactly the same as SLP 1 3/4" headers, and flow maybe a hair more than the 1 5/8" headers.

A 1 3/4" header is not going to give a 6mph gain over a 1 5/8" header on a 14 second car. In fact, I ran identical MPH (120) in the 1/4 with 1 5/8" and 1 3/4" headers on my previous 560hp formula. The headers were not holding the car back, the blower was.

If you want to actually see the hard math, YOUR car with an average performance camshaft, your heads, etc calls for a 1.25" primary at 44 inches long..

My application calls for a 1.75" primary at 36 inches based on my camshaft, overlap, estimated volumetric efficiency, bore and stroke, and peak RPM. We're in 650-700hp land...

I'm not trying to be an *** about this, but nothing has been "proven" other than the fact that Don's filling a void left by the fact that SLP no longer makes 1 3/4" shorties for thirdgens. This will only last until the Chinese start pushing 1 3/4" stainless headers for around $300 a set.

Unless you guys are actually running a head with a 1406 exhaust port (210/220cc head), and are making more than 500hp, a set of $200 1 5/8" headers will leave nothing 'on the table'..


-- Joe

DBLTKE

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You can get a stock L98 to trap 100mph? Good for you, but that has nothing to do with my LB9. I wasn't making a comparison to somebody elses car, i was directly comparing it to my previous runs at the drag strip which trapped 92mph in nearly identical conditions. I think you misinterpreted the point that I was trying to get across. I never said that I gained 6mph over a set of 1 5/8" headers. I gained that over the stock manifolds. Although with my last LB9, when I switched from stock manifolds to a set of 1 5/8" edelbrock shorties, I only gained 2mph. From my real world experience, I did see a larger gain from over stock with Dyno Dons compared to Edelbrocks.

And I don't mean to sound like an *** either. I just want to get those points across. It seems like a lot of people want to dismiss these headers as overpriced and over rated when in actuality they are priced almost identical to comparable products and seem to perform nearly the same if not, a little better.

-Skyler

Well I wouldn't call it a "HUGE" price difference, but if you want to be technical about it then I should let you know that my Dyno Dons were $27.99 cheaper than the ceramic coated 2055's listed on Jeg's.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hooker+Headers...055-1/10002/-1

anesthes

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I'm not twisting your words, or at least not on purpose. I'm trying to show context. These headers, on the average thirdgen, which is 12-14 seconds, will not be any improvement over a set of $200 hedman headers. (about $260 with y-pipe:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-68470/

Now, I'm not trying to compare apples to oranges. Because I'm well aware of the fact that the primary diameter is 1 3/4", and that they are ceramic coated. I get that. What I'm saying is 99.9% of the members would not see
a difference on their car.

Don's headers are $570, plus $245 for the y-pipe. That is $815 for headers..

http://www.top-downsolutions.com/powertrain-performance


Now guys like me, that actually need a 1 3/4" primary also probably need a specific runner length based on the camshaft specs. I don't know what Don's runner lengths are, but they are much shorter than what we really need, so spending $815 is still a wicked lot of money. Which is why most guys in the 500+ hp range either 1) Buy a used set of SLP headers, 2) Buy a set of long tube 1 3/4" headers that will make more power than either.

Now, again, I don't have anything against Don. I think he makes fine headers. In fact, I had reached out to him to see if he would be willing to make me a custom set, which he politely declined. (because these are made on a jig, with pre-bent pipes and parts so he really just welds them up and no amount of money I was willing to pay was worth him making a custom jig, ordering special pipes, etc). But to say they are "proven the best headers" is a stretch. They're just 1 3/4" short headers, just like SLP's except they are not stainless, and will probably be copied by the Chinese soon for about 1/4 the price.

The Chinese already sell 1 5/8" stainless headers on ebay for under $200, and I'm told the quality of the flanges and the welds are top notch by those who have used them. Once they figure out their is a market for 1 3/4" headers (who do I email?) in stainless, because as we all know ceramic looks like crap and scratches in time, everyone will be buying those.

What products are they comparably priced to that they are better than? They are priced comparably to stainless works 1 3/4" long tubes (which are over priced), but they wouldn't be comparable performance wise. I also wouldn't put 1 3/4" long tubes on a 305...

That's a ripoff. Given the choice between $700 over priced 1 5/8" headers, and Don's, well obviously I'd buy Don's if the money was the same.

Who in their right mind pays $700 for 1 5/8" headers? I mean, other than Corvette owners.

I bought my SLP's from a forum member for like $175. I'm aware of the fact that Don's do have superior clearance on the drivers side, but it still only took me 10-15 minutes to install them, and drink a diet coke while doing so.

Removed oil filter, slid header up, bolted in, replaced oil filter.. I opted to use the SLP's over the 1 3/4" hooker long tubes I have (and am selling) due to superior ground clearance in hillbilly new hampshire where I live.

-- Joe

Dyno Don

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If you want to talk about huge differences, just take a good look at those Hooker 2055's.

I went the extra mile to make sure these were right in all respects.
Thicker flanges, the ball socket is a full 2 1/2" (Hookers are barely larger than the stock manifold) their Y connection is not a good merge and if you cut one open (as some have done) you would be amazed at the shoddy construction, their ports are not raised for the later type heads and they mismatch on the size (smaller than the ports on most heads).

If these things don't matter to you ...then buy theirs.

anesthes

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The Hooker 2055 is ripoff and a joke...

-- Joe

Guest

Well I wouldn't call it a "HUGE" price difference, but if you want to be technical about it then I should let you know that my Dyno Dons were $27.99 cheaper than the ceramic coated 2055's listed on Jeg's.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hooker+Headers...055-1/10002/-1[/quote]

Alright...I have to call it...you need your head examined...$150 IS a big difference. Noth just that but their is --->NO WAY<--- that you got a -stock- 3rdgen with headers to run a what...13.3 at 104 B.S!

No way in or even out of hell for that matter can a stock 3rdgen with just headers run a LOW 13 at over 99mph...and didn't you cay it was an lb9.
Jesus would have to leave Heavens glory (again) and PUSH that car to get that time.

Ill give you a fact. My buddys car (and I can PROVE it) 92 purple haze car, factory freak, fully loaded, L98 G92, time capsule, bleeding heart eating-to hot to trot car.
with:
eldy runners
(baby-baby) stall if it even had 1...
DRs
Indiana winter air (TPI air )
driver mod
(stock)
ran a whopping...(80s time portal ripping in the sky-back to the future)

13.51 at 99MPH! Not a header only lb9 car picking up 6mph that means your stock 305 car trapped 98 mph BS! My stock L98 car (when it was) traps 95mph and its a 350
- (slips to prove and yes I WAS their...and we have guys who can vouch too.)

....im done here...

Reid Fleming

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I dunno what to say. 1989GTATransAm has run short and long and custom headers.....Yet he runs Dyno Don's on his car. His signature is below.

Best of 11.57 and 115.73 mph(1811DA). Motor: Dart SHP block 368ci, AFR Comp 195cc heads, 11.1:1 comp, highly modified TPI 1st style SLP runners, moded GM plenum and First Injection TPI intake manifold, Mike Jones 3/4 race cam, Yank PT4000 converter, Dyno Don 1 3/4" shorty headers, Dyno Don custom exhaust, custom cold air intake, AS&M monoblade throttle body. Meziere electric water pump. Mufflex 3.5" exhaust catback. Magnaflow 3.5" muffler#12909. Kevin91Z Tune. 4L60E installed. Now 420RWHP, 417RWTQ with new motor.

Reid: Looks good to me.

Comparing 1 5/8 to 1 3/4 is only looking at the numbers. Don's headers have a nice parallel merge in the Y-pipe. The 2055 have a perpendicular merge point. That can't possibly work as well.

anesthes

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The TPI guys are on another planet.

-- Joe

Z28ricer

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I just want to see the better current alternative to don's headers for a thirdgen ?


Something off the shelf, and readily available.

I mean, i've got a mig and a tig, and probably enough tubing on hand to make 2 sets myself and 2 full 3.5" stainless exh systems.

Yet I cant see where the nay sayers here are coming from, who probably dont have the tools, nor the ability.

anesthes

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I'm with you on this one. Why is it that hedman nor hooker make a shorty 1 3/4 header? Why did SLP drop the thirdgen headers ?

Perhaps demand is very low, but look at the number of threads daily on the forums..

You can't really build them cost effectively by using off-shelf bends and tubing, unless you have a CNC mandrel bender. (I sure as hell don't). Buying all the bends, cutting them as needed on the band saw, trial an error, and welding you would have way more hours into them than it is worth. What we need is a company to just make a production run of a thousand units and flood the market.

If these guys can make 1.5" shorty headers in stainless for under $150

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHEVY-CAMARO...cb80ea&vxp=mtr

Than they should be able to make a set of 1 3/4" for well under $300.

-- Joe

Orr89RocZ

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Just a tip, you likely can still get hookers or hedmans off jet-hot's website coated in their coating which is considered a better coating and if you mention thirdgen.org they will give 10% discount. Atleast they did for me 2 times between 04 and 08 but its been 4 yrs i am not sure that deal is still on

Z28ricer

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They can copy an existing design with low quality stainless and low quality standards for $150

Sure they could copy a 1.75" set too, if / when they get their hands on a set of dons headers, just like the pisspoor copys of the bbs turbo kits.

Of course just like you've pointed out, those pieces of crap will copy other peoples work and rip off others innovation, so those of us who have the ability to make something far better than whats currently available, dont make it available just to be copied.

Reid Fleming

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People all over the internet are already complaining about Craftsmen tools being made in China and not being as good. You trust them to make a good header?

anesthes

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Small block chevy headers that fit a thirdgen are not a work of innovation.

They wouldn't need Dons headers to make a 1.75" version, why wouldn't they just enlarge the pipes on the headers they already make?

Parts from china are hit or miss. Some is junk, some is better than the OEM stuff on my 2012 GM.

I think most of the gripe about Chinese parts is the fact that a 12 year old Chinese girl can weld better than a guy who has been in the union for 30 years The Chinese girl probably appreciates her job more.


-- Joe

anesthes

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Here is a cool video from Hedman:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/07/w...art-to-finish/

Computers bend up all the pipes, and assembly guys weld them (with mig welders no less) up and in the box they go. I don't think it matters if the guy pressing the green button is America, Irish Mexican or Chinese.

They are headers, not the cure for cancer. That's why they cost $160 from summit.

-- Joe