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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 02:02 AM
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True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Anyone mounted true HID headlamps in a 3rd gen T/A?

I was mulling around the idea, but i'm not sure it worth the cost of the expensive wiring needed.

Anyone got ideas?
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

i hope that this aint against the rules. but check this out, im in the process of lookin up that same thing

http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/view...&highlight=7x6
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

HID's are more or less useless without projectors. They put out more light, but it isn't focused, so you lose a good portion of it and just piss off other drivers.

So unless you're gonna look into a projector type lamp that fits your car, maybe from a Silverado or something, then you're not even close to starting in the right place.

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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by Mythos
Anyone mounted true HID headlamps in a 3rd gen T/A?

I was mulling around the idea, but i'm not sure it worth the cost of the expensive wiring needed.

Anyone got ideas?
Yep, I did. Dual projectors actually (tri if you consider the fogs as well ) Here's the thread I had:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fabr...rs-w-hids.html

I'm currently on version 3.0 for the headlights, I think this will be the last design.
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

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HID's are more or less useless without projectors. They put out more light, but it isn't focused, so you lose a good portion of it and just piss off other drivers.

So unless you're gonna look into a projector type lamp that fits your car, maybe from a Silverado or something, then you're not even close to starting in the right place.

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WHAT????
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

im not happy with my bi-xenons...almost no light past the side of the car. going projector this summer.

u can see in my sig
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

cali you have to remember back in the old setup the lows and highs were on when the high beam was on so you could see more... and when i get my other housine ( mother threw it away on accident ) i will show you what all four headlights look like on low and high... maybe to change your mind

but yea i can understand that the hid lights with normal housing kinda scatter... but it works for me.... but has anyone ever make it so the shield is on top and not on bottom?
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

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cali you have to remember back in the old setup the lows and highs were on when the high beam was on so you could see more... and when i get my other housine ( mother threw it away on accident ) i will show you what all four headlights look like on low and high... maybe to change your mind

but yea i can understand that the hid lights with normal housing kinda scatter... but it works for me.... but has anyone ever make it so the shield is on top and not on bottom?
ud get pulled over in a second for that...
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Old Apr 26, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by CaliChevyLover
ud get pulled over in a second for that...
Plus wiring them into your brights isn't the smartest idea either. HID's life is significantly decreased by being switched on and off rapidly. That's why when they add HID's to cars that have the night time sensor, they disable it.

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Old Apr 26, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by CaliChevyLover
ud get pulled over in a second for that...


for having all four of them on? or switching the shield?

cause theres cars here that have all four of there lights on.. including the stangs...
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Old Apr 26, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

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for having all four of them on? or switching the shield?

cause theres cars here that have all four of there lights on.. including the stangs...
if u saw a camaro comin at u with 4 headlights on first thougth would be that ur high beams are on. cop would think that too.

and the newer stangs...arent the ones in the grille fog lights?
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

ive seen the price of the bulbs and ignitors for cadillacs and how short there lifespan is. that has made me want to stay far away from the whole idea.....
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 12:26 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

my friend bough a nice set of hids on ebay. it looks sick ill find out the brand this week
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 12:29 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by HarmonyCamaro
.... but has anyone ever make it so the shield is on top and not on bottom?
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about and having the shield block the top half instead of the bottom half of the projector, then regardless of how many lights are on, you'd get pulled over mighty quick like Cali said. Projectors are set up optically so that by placing the shield on the lower half (contradictory) actually cuts out the top half of the light beam. If you were to block the top half instead, you'd be driving around with light only ABOVE your cutoff line, which would be like driving around with ultimate high beams - very illegal.
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about and having the shield block the top half instead of the bottom half of the projector, then regardless of how many lights are on, you'd get pulled over mighty quick like Cali said. Projectors are set up optically so that by placing the shield on the lower half (contradictory) actually cuts out the top half of the light beam. If you were to block the top half instead, you'd be driving around with light only ABOVE your cutoff line, which would be like driving around with ultimate high beams - very illegal.

awww ok and don't know there is a stang here that has all four headlights on low beam don't know about high...

and if a cop pulls me over i can just switch to high beam no problem... but i don't think cops around here care about that too much plus i had mine on high beam on accident and drove by cops they didn't do anything...
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 12:10 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

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awww ok and don't know there is a stang here that has all four headlights on low beam don't know about high...

and if a cop pulls me over i can just switch to high beam no problem... but i don't think cops around here care about that too much plus i had mine on high beam on accident and drove by cops they didn't do anything...
if they pull u over ur already guilty...still get a ticket
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by Mathius
HID's are more or less useless without projectors. They put out more light, but it isn't focused, so you lose a good portion of it and just piss off other drivers.

So unless you're gonna look into a projector type lamp that fits your car, maybe from a Silverado or something, then you're not even close to starting in the right place.

Mathius
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WHAT????
i have to with mathius after livin with these bi-xenons for awhile. cant wait til i get some projectors in my car.
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by CaliChevyLover
i have to with mathius after livin with these bi-xenons for awhile. cant wait til i get some projectors in my car.

I dunno what's up with your lights, maybe when you get back into town we can meet up and compare.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by Mathius
HID's are more or less useless without projectors. They put out more light, but it isn't focused, so you lose a good portion of it and just piss off other drivers.

So unless you're gonna look into a projector type lamp that fits your car, maybe from a Silverado or something, then you're not even close to starting in the right place.

Mathius
Unfortunately true.Even my Sylvania Xenarcs work better with my recent projector conversion.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/auto...-inside-w.html
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

you have to make clear headlights by forming some clear plexiglass. Then cut the back of the housing for the projectors.
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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Why plexiglass headlamps.Just buy aftermarket.
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 12:19 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

yeah that is true. The problem may just be the projectors that you used The FX-35 also (tsx is another good one)projectors give out a great light spread pattern. I am going to use those when I do my one piece headlight conversion. Then you have no worries with the cops. also as long as they are relatively level when built easier to adjust. a shroud is pretty much a must which makes the plexi lenses a good idea so they can be sealed.

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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 01:10 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

thought about it few times
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 01:07 AM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

here is mine got on ebay for 60 bucks now im gonna get the hid kit also on ebay for another 80. they also have the ones for firebirds
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Old May 18, 2010 | 06:17 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by CaliChevyLover
if they pull u over ur already guilty...still get a ticket
not true! i got pulled over for having a headlight out (low beam only on passenger side) the cop pulls me over and says... your headlight is out, i said no it isnt SIR! he walked to the front of the car (but what i did was click my hi beams on before i shut the car off) i hit the headlight switch and popped up the headlights and BOTH were lit! hahaha cop walked around with a puzzeled look on his face and told me to have a good night. lol tards.

i did that 5 times, couple of town cops (not just my town) and a NJ state trooper lol. i have a firebird btw


also about the HIDs...i found a kit on ebay of course! its a projector housing for my 7x6s... and comes with the bulbs and HID harness etc and 8000k bulbs (i kno alittle too blue) but at 70$ for the set im seriously considering them. Prob is that i have H4 conversion headlights with 100w/90w H4 bulbs and i keep blowing bulbs every couple of months. at 16$ a pop and having to tear the headlight apart to change them im thinking im just gona do the cheape HIDs. i have too much HP to be driving around and not being able to see lol
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Old May 19, 2010 | 04:32 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

i have my fogs and headlights on all the time
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Old May 20, 2010 | 07:51 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Those ebay projectors will work fine as long as you can physically fit the HID bulb in them, and the projectors have a cut-off shield installed. I've seen a few projectors that didn't come with cut-off shields thus throwing the light everywhere.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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took five mins to install love night driving
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Old May 24, 2010 | 11:44 PM
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took five mins to install love night driving

wow they look bright are those ebay projectors/HID kits? or are they real HIDs?


how can u tell if the projectors have cut off sheilds? fedex says my ebay HIDs/projectors will be here tmrw/tday(25th) since its 1am.
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None of those ebay projector fakes have cut off shields.Real projectors do, but only on lo-beam units.
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Old May 25, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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RockJay.....that looks great. What kind of kit is that. I want mine like that!!!!
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

rockjay, also what HID converson kit is that? is it a 35w or a 55w? looks good man. got any beam patterns against a wall?

also where does anyone get new mounting rings for the firebird headlamps? the ring that goes around the headlamp to mount it to the bucket?

EDIT: also i forgot to ask... what color bulbs are those? they look like a 8000K bulb. but it might be a 6000K or a 10000K if its a 55w kit.

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Old May 25, 2010 | 09:55 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

Originally Posted by Mathius
HID's are more or less useless without projectors. They put out more light, but it isn't focused, so you lose a good portion of it and just piss off other drivers.

So unless you're gonna look into a projector type lamp that fits your car, maybe from a Silverado or something, then you're not even close to starting in the right place. purple headlights

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Exactly, you will need to buy something with more value to remove that effect.
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Old May 25, 2010 | 10:06 PM
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http://www.dashzracing.com/82-92-Che...-p7753299.html


these are the same ones but i have them in clear.. my hid's are 8k just get the h4 hid kit and our good to go. i mounts the ballast in btwn the high and low beams. not to do and you see way better at night. i'll try to take some night pics when im done with my lsx swap
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Old May 25, 2010 | 11:45 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

They look like the same type sold on ebay.Whats the bulb for if they come with HID lamps?
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Old May 25, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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Re: True HID's in a 3rd gen?

bro they are all the same the housing dosent come with the hid's. i guess its there incase you dont have hids. the projector housing is h4 just get good quality hid brands and you shouldn't have a problem.
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Wasnt interested in it.Just asking & btw dont think for a second those are actually projectors.It just a magnifying lense in a cheap housing, & the black housing reflects even less light than the chrome one.I dont understand why people keep thinking those are projectors.

Did you get a single or bi- xenon H4?
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