How many things can you find wrong with this car.

eBay Motors: Chevrolet : Camaro (item 4653880075 end time Jun-27-06 11:51:22 PDT)

You just have to love cruising e-bay. People do some of the funniest things.

 

1- 1991 IROC
2- Squeak and rattle free (yeah right )
3- VIN shows that it was an LO3
4- Are those Firebird seats?
5- Headlight buckets are body color

And that's all I've got...

 

6.) The car sits in 110 degree temps with the A/C on high with a single fan and never gets over 200 degrees?
7.) The grille is incorrect for the year of that car (it would be correct if it ACTUALLY WAS a 1991 car)

 

No stripes or door decals for 1991, are those chrome '85-'87 wheels???
Also, those do look like Firebird seats!
I love looking at ebay too, people are so misinformed

 

The VIN tells us it is a 1991 with an LO3. This means it cannot be a Z28 as the 305 TPI became the base engine in the IROC-Z in 1990 and continued in the Z28 in 1991-92. It's an RS in disguise, pure and simple.

 

look at the ground effects too, they dont have the aero...which either this is a 90 and he doesnt know what he is talking about or its like you guys said a lo3 turned iroc. But if you went through all that trouble to clone it,wouldnt you at least make it like the 91 z's?

 

drums never came on an iroc, those are in fact 2002 camaro seats(said it in ad), and the other things mentioned

 

I missed a third spec off the VIN. The VIN is for a coupe, not a convertible.

There are way too many discrepancies, enough to make me wonder if this VIN is correct for this car. I'd love to see the SPID. I'd also like to examine the body panels for VIN stickers. Originally, GM placed one on each front fender, one on each rear quarter, hood, trunk lid, both doors and front/rear bumpers (these are really hard to find). I'll bet anyone the hood VIN sticker is missing. That's because I know this is not a Z28 and it has a Z28 hood. It cannot be original. This car is only 130 miles away and I'm tempted to go look at it and set this guy straight....


....drums never came on an iroc....

Actually they did. In some years the rear discs were an option, such as in 1987. I owned a factory original 1987 IROC-Z convertible with an LG4 and rear drums.

Willie

 

I just looked at an 88 IROC vert and it had drums. There was no J65 rpo code in the glove box. So they did come drum.

The seats in that car look just like mine but cloth. Mine are 95 Firebird seats. Except he has thirdgen seatbelt guides turned up sidedown. Adam :-)

 

even the 91 and 92 RS's had the scoops in the ground effects. My son's 91 RS has a different instrument panel than this car. This looks more like what's in my 86 IROCs. My son's 91 RS also has split back seats, not solid, but I don't know if that's supposed to be true for all the 91's or not.

 

From looking at it alittle bit more. It could be a 90 IROC. The 90's had the old style ground effects with the new dash layout. And that would explain the no mas on the motor also. That stated in 90. So to me it looks like a 90 IROC with a repaint(since there is no black headlight pockets) and 85-87 chrome IROC wheel's added on. But then again if the vin dosn't match. Then there's no telling what he has. Adam :-)

 

WOW; you guys are good, I saw a few things that did'nt jive but I just thought it was a good looker!

I agree though ... E-bay is not for the technically un-sound, lot's of bad e-bayers out there! LOL

Dave

 

Regardless, it's a very good-looking car.

I'd rather see something modified with original chevy parts and accesories than something riced out with ghetto bling.

While I love my all-original car, I don't see anything wrong with taking a L03 IROC and putting a TPI in it, giving it a paint job and some new (Firebird) seats.

What's wrong is when this seller misrepresents the item. Someone will buy this not knowing what they're getting, I'm afraid ... but I still think they will have a VERY good-looking car. I would love to have it (but not for that price!)

 

I don't see anything wrong with a car like that. It is a nice car. It's just now someone that's going to buy it is going to think they have a IROC when it's not. And even worse is it could be stolen and have another vin slaped on it. It's just a shame what people will put up on ebay without any knowledge. Adam :-)

 

It looks like an 87.

The VIN is 1991 for an RS HARDTOP.
1G1FP23E7ML197948
1 = US
G = GM
1 = Chevrolet
FP = F-body Camaro
2 = Body type For this case its a HARDTOP according to the VIN
3 = Restraint = Airbag - Which this car apparently has
E = LO3, however there is obviously a TPI engine in the bay
7 = Check diget
M = 1991
L = Van Nuys CA
1 = Chevrolet
97948 = Sequence Number

GM produced just over 100,000 Camaros in 1991, so this is a late 1991production car THEREFORE it cant be an oops at the factory where they used up the parts stock crom the previous year on accident.

I believe this car WAS either 1 of 3 things, possibly more.

The car was converted After the fact to a convert, and somoene had an 90 IROC that they took all of the parts from and placed it on this car, including the TPI.

It could be the car was legitimately a 91 RS, someone wanted TPI, stole a 90 IROC and swapped all the part, purchased the wheels aftermarket, and ditched the donor.

The car is originally a 1990 IROC, and someone changed the VIN to hide something, not thinking that anyone would ever notice. They could have written the VIN down wrong, but to have both the 2 and the E instead of a 3 and F seems unlikely. The VIN is a good number according to CARFAX, but it clearly states RS.

The seats are from a Firebird, as I do not believe the Camaro from 93-02 came with anything other than high back buckets, the Firebirds came with the seperate headrest. not a 4th genner tho.

The SINGLE fan was standard on the 85, 86 TPI, 86-87 LG4, and 88-92 LO3 engines. It may be possible that when they did the TPI swap they chose to use the original single fan.

What I find interesting is the Engine is a 90-92, the Dash is obviously a 90 -92 the VIN is 1991, but the body panels are 85-90, and the VIN is for a hard top/T-top car not a vert... Confusing indeed.

must I go on?


John

 

My 91 L98 came from the factory with rear drums, so it would be possible. The dash Z28 emblem I believe should be yellow. And of course, shouldn't be an IROC.

 

The iroc verts all had the LO3 though, the 5.7 liter was too much power supposedely for a vert and would have twisted it like a pretzel.(Not really.)

 

Even if they did, there weren't any IROCs in 91. And the VIN doesn't match up at all...


Maybe he has a rare, one-of-a-kind car here.

 

The iroc verts all had the LO3 though...

Not in 1990. The LB9 was the base engine in the IROC-Z (coupe & convertible). BUT this isn't the topic here. There are so many discrepancies that I'm leaning towards one of the points John made above. I believe that for reasons unknown, the VIN is NOT correct on this car. This is why I mentioned above that I'd like to see all the VIN plates. I'm willing to bet that they have all mysteriously disappeared, along with the SPID.

To speculate even further, here's a possible scenario: The owner of the original RS (including an authentic VIN) somehow "acquired" (i.e. stole) an '88-'90 IROC-Z. The IROC-Z was stripped of its VIN, and the authentic RS VIN was "transferred". The IROC-Z, most likely reported stolen, would have no physical evidence of its original VIN so law enforcement cannot track this car to its original VIN. This is why the RS VIN was used, keeping the car "legal".

Willie

 

Too much wrong with the car to even list. I see the item is no longer for sale. Wonder whats up with that!