Dale

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So, over the weekend I got my 90-92 Intellitronix digi dash in my hands. I went ahead and installed most of it over the weekend w/o any tech support and got it working. Talked to them yesterday and gave them some feedback as they asked. I am going to post all the info I can think of here, along with my feedback and there responses to my feedback.

1. Speedo, sweep looks like it will read up to about 110-120. The actual read out will read higher then any of us can go. I have this working, but is not hooked up how they want it hooked up. I need to redo this. It has a push button for the settings and features. I forsee some issues with it and he will send all others out with a remote wired push button.
2. Volts, No sweep, just plain simple numbers.
3. Oil, no sweep, just plain simple numbers. Reads actual psi.
4. Fuel, no sweep, reads in percentage. 100=full, 001=sol. This bounced around alot and gave that as feedback. All future units will read slightly slower so it doesnt read as often.
5. Temp, I do not have this hooked up yet. My research shows all 4 motors this will interact with use the same sensor. I am going to send him a factory sensor and he will adjust future clusters so you dont have to install one, you will use factory. Please double, quadruple check my research and let me know if I am right or wrong on the sensor.
6. RPM, Has a sweep, looks like it will max around 6k? Reads in 100 intervals. I asked about this and he said they did that because if you narrow it down even more, its just a constant blurr of flicking numbers.
7. Bright light, nice blue led.
8. Turns, nice green leds.
9. Dimming, it does not do a reastatic(sp?), just a simple bright or 50% dim when your parklights are on. Day time it is bright enough even in a vert to read. At night, its just a little bright for me, but my eyes are sensitive. That is purely a subjective mater to each person.
10. Other stuff. There is no anti-theft light, no parking brake light, no seatbelt light, no shift light. Flat out, and its not going to have it on this model. They plan to do another model, but its atleast a year out.

Part looks great, does not look like it is hand made here in USA(and it is!!!), looks like a machine soldered unit.

Install. It took me a while as I was just given a generic wire diagram and no clue as to where I had to cut my housing. I will provide pics and some tech info later after I finish everything(and to them for manual). I will say I had to cut alot on the white part of the cluster. Trim some on the bezel. :edit: You can still use the clear cover, but its a tight fight. I HIGHLY suggest you get a second cluster to butcher up.

Items I know you will need, 4 of the red bullet connectors, a box of red male/female blade connectors with protective covers, 1 red blade w/o protective cover, 1 red med size hoop, small section of 18ga wire in red, black, and another color of choice, wire label device(or masking tape), electrical tape. The way I wired mine was via solder iron. If you dont like that, or have one. Then some type of wire connectors to tap into your stock harness.

Tools needed, t30 torx?, 9/32 nut driver(or ratchet with extension), 7/32?? nut driver, wire cutters, wire crimpers, wire strippers, small strait screw driver, med strait screw driver, #2 phillips, something to do the cutting with(I chose air powered cut-off wheel), solder gun(or whatever for your other method), sharpie, utility knife.


Ask any questions you want, I will try my best to answer.

camarosource

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Looks really good.. Think they will have to do some changed before going into mass-production.. Don't you need at least a seatbelt indicator by law? I would think so?

Dale

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I just did a quick google search and found nothing on a law about the light in the dash.

Steven6282

These days it may be a law to buckle up. But as far as I can remember back in the 80s it was not. So I don't think they could enforce a law saying you had to have a seat belt warning light in your car. Just like the 3rd brake light on the rear, if your car didn't come factory equipped with it they don't enforce it (at least they don't in my state).

On the topic of the gauges, they don't look bad. But when they say Direct Replacement, I was hoping that meant it had connections to plug directly into the factory harness rather than having to do a lot of wire splicing. I think if I have to go through that much trouble I'm definitely going to stick with autometer analog gauges.

camarosource

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That has ALWAYS been my beef with them. In my opinion that is FALSE ADVERTISING. Claiming it's DIRECT REPLACEMENT when it's not!!

You CANNOT claim it's DIRECT REPLACEMENT when you have to cut up parts, install new components, hack other parts, splice wires up to multiple places.

For that, I would this it's more along of Custom or being called Aftermarket..

KiLLJ0Y

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that looks pretty pimp... are you able to change the color of the LED's or is it just blue?

Dale

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Killjoy, When you order you can select color/color combos at that time. Once your selected, you can not change color.

FryeDaddy

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Looks really nice, glad someone brought the topic back to life. Quick question will it work with an aftermarket engine? Like a zz4 engine or lsx? (I'm debating to rebuild my carb'd motor or swap it for an ls1/2)

KITT1983

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Sweet dash when will the 1982-1984 firebird units come out?

Dale

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Fryedaddy, I'm kinda laughing at your post because my engine is almost a zz4 replica. But I am controlling it with an ls1 pcm. I have the speedo hooked up to the output of the ls1 pcm, but that is not how its designed to be hooked up. Its designed to hook up strait to the sensor, so you will have to calibrate your cluster AND your pcm if you go ls1. The carb part...uh, dont really see why it would be an issue other then maybe the tach, but I'm sure your dizzy still has some type of tach output.

Kitt83, fired off an email to him asking that. I'm not heading the birds, dunno if someone on here is or not? Or if I am to attempt to handle that?

Timmie

yes it will work on any engine you throw in it.
it reads the speed from the tranny sensor.
the oil from the oil sender on the block. ( if you use the 3 wire sensor, it reads from the brown wire ), if you use a universal 1, you just hook the right wire up the the sensor.

the temp gets read from the sensor in the drivers side head.
altough 1 small note here. the standard sensor on this position has different values then a universal one.
on my model ( from nordskog ) it read a little bit o high with the old sensor.
so I put in a universal temp sender. and my result where deadon with what I read on my laptop.
for the tach just hook it up to the tach signal from your coil.
if you want to use it for a 6 cilinder engine, you need to cut a resistor on the back of the board.
somewhere far away in my emails I still have some info wich one it is.

Dale

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Kitt, he messaged back and said hopefully before x-mas. He is waiting on his last item that is outsourced.

FSTFBDY

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LOOKS GOOD.
#1
Is there room for the Stock Plastic piece ? Ive seen that kinda smoked with VHT in front of digital guages and it looked GREAT. This way all you see is the #'s etc light up. You dont see the unlit leds.

6k MAX RPM ?? what about us guys with engine swap who SHIFT higher then that? Ya its not EVERY day or every drive were up in the 6k rpm range. but Its enough to not want a custom dash with all the work needed. When I can just finish off with all auto meter guages for the same price or a little more.

Dale

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I didnt try with the stock plastic cover. But being the plexiglass is several x's thinker then that plastic film. I dont think it would. I could try it later this week.

I'm guessing on the 6k. I noticed 36-3800 is strait up on the sweep, so it may go to 7. But it will numerically read I guess up to 9900 since there is only 4 digits.

As for "all the work needed". I dont know what autometer gauges your talking about, but I dont see how it would be less work. I had all this done in about 5hrs, including cutting 2 clusters, fixing the wiring on the back of one, figuring out what wires are what to tap into, and editing my pcm to talk to my new cluster... all while taking pics and text messaging friends about my new toy *shrugs*

dabird07

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that is beautiful i would want this in the future

just for more crazy interior thoughts i saw something nice on streetglow a hile back its a heads up display for shift points
two settings for power then other for more gass

just pops up on ure windsheild

thought that was awesome idk if it would work for birds though

KITT1983

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thanks

Carlos773

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Want one for a bird. Nao

Timmie

the sweep only ( the green ledlights around the number goes til 6K max ( then they al just stay light up), but the digital counter itself can go up till 9900RPM

same goes for the speedo. the sweep itself goes to 65 in green leds, then from 70 till 100 it will go up in red leds.
but the speedo itself can go up till 500mph or even higher.

vengetta82

Oooooooo.... I wish I had 400 bucks laying around for it. I like!

Dale

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Vengetta, You can get it for 375 buy telling them I referenced you.

But x-mas is always come up, put in the list

KITT1983

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will they make a complete drop in 1982-1984 firebird/ camaro gauge cluster for you or do you have to hack the gauge cluster to install?

Maverick H1L

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dabird, it's called a HUD. Most FWD Grand Prix's had the option along with the Vette (and possibly some other cars). I've been thinking about getting one from a late 80s-early 90s GP. I've never seen one in action before, however, as I don't think it worked in the 1996 Grand Prix a guy I used to know had before he traded it on an S10 (or he just never used it). Nissans and a couple other cars also had them, I think.

I'd be interested IF they made an 86-92 Bird cluster (with the electronic speedo) that was a direct fit. I mean, if I can get a new printed circuit for my gauge cluster from Classic Industries or the like, and they already make a housing for the digital cluster, what would be SO very hard about making it a drop-in assembly? Guess I'll be stuck making my own .

Dale

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Maverick, I had HUD on my 99 GTP, and you had to have a higher trim level for the option. I dont think the base model that was an option. It also required a special windshield. Anyway, it was very annoying at first. But after a few months it was nice. After 7 years of driving it and now its gone, I miss it like crazy!!

Dale

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Ok, edited my first post. You can still use your clear bezel cover, and its a tight fit. It makes it look more stock like your needels fell off, lol.

Rewired my vss, hooked the temp gauge up to the sensor since timmie said his worked, just slightly off. Have not drove it far since this.

Maverick H1L

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Yes, I am well aware it was an option. My 1993 SE coupe didn't have it, but it had the connector under the dash pad for the display module. I believe it became an option in the GP in 1990-91 (if I'm remembering the year of the McLaren Turbo correctly), and it may have been in the Vette before that, in which case the early ones were made by Hughes Aircraft. I'd kill to get one working in my car, as I'm going for a bit of an aircraft cockpit feel... I have one in the watch list on eBay, but it's a bit pricey right now (complete with controls as well as pigtails ). :edit: BTW, what color was the display on yours? I've seen the one in the Vette in pics, and it's that standard bluish-green...

Anyways, BTT...

dabird07

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i know wat it was called but thought it would look aesome in a t5 bird or a knight riderproject car

either way if they made these gauges for a 92 firebird i would love one espicially in blue

but have other needs

92camaroracer

dale, any chance for some more picures? maybe froma few differnet angles to get the full feel of this long awaited item??

Dale

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Yea, I should beable to do that this weekend. I have some from other angles, but they have really bad reflections in them, or the steering wheel is in the way.

Right now I still have my dash torn apart from the latest wiring fixes. I will want to get it back together so you can see a "final product" look.

cdoyle

I like it, but I wish someone would come out with a dash that uses better LED displays.

What I mean is, the LED displays on these ones for text are too big. Smaller ones that had more elements would allow them to actually spell out 'Water' instead of H20.

How do the LEDs look as your RPM's and Speed go up? Are they big blocks, or smaller blocks that seem more responsive? That was another thing I didn't like about the ones from that other company that was out years ago.

The blocks were big, and didn't seem very responsive compared to the speed/tach. Not sure if I'm explaining that very well, but smaller blocks and more of them would make it seem more responsive/accurate.

92camaroracer

cant wait to see some pics of the final product! now my question is, on their website it says they are in stock but how do i get one if i cant order one from their site??

Dale

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cdoyle. These displays are actually larger text then before I think. They went bigger so they would be easier to read. But I agree, down below I would like it a little more normal text rather then block text. But hey, Gotta give up something for the price.

Led's look nice going up n down. I cant quite figure how yet how many leds/per reading yet. I will try to get some video of it reving. I have a new camera and need to test the video function out!

92camaro. You can order them from there ebay profile. There was a link posted in the old thread somewhere. Profile is there company name. If you order, in the "extra info" box, put that Dale from TGO referred you, and you get a 20 or 25bux discount. :edit: I just sent an email asking if you dont have a ebay profile if you can order direct. Since its weekend now, not sure when I will get response.

InfernalVortex

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you mean to tell me when you shift above 6k RPMs you're watching the tach needle?

The display will probably go higher than 6000, just the light sweep will not.

Anyway, if you're not shifting by ear or feel, you need a shift light. You do NOT need to be watching a tach.

92camaroracer

jaben2

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That is pretty nice., Hopefully the 85 TA version will be out soon. While I am still working on mine. Wouldn't mind changing it while I am redoing the interior.

92camaroracer

ok, so i found the link to their ebay store and this is what i found..



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it says its an 82-90 cluster but it looks the same as the 91-92 cluster to me.

Pillsbry10

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it appears they need to do a WAY better job with their listings.

92camaroracer

no disrespect to this company at all, but are they a legitimate company? it seems they have a lot of issues. i just want to make sure that if im buying a product from them that im getting a quality piece of equipment.

92camaroracer

hey dale, any luck with those pictures?

Dale

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Ok, you can call them directly and place an order so you dont have to do ebay.
Call 440-210-7645 and ask for Olga. They take credit cards etc
Also remind them that "dale from TGO sent you" to get your 20-25bux discount.

92camaro, yes. fixing to upload them in a min.

Pillsbry10

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olga? lol

Dale

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more pics

:edit: Just noticed it distorts the size of the image when you upload. UGH

Dale

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Thats what he said. But trust me, they are an American company

92camaroracer

i like it, but not a huge fan of seeing the guts of the elec. stuff when the sun hits it, is there enough room to put the stock plastic glass back on the cluster?

Pillsbry10

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haha i believe you just made me laugh when i saw olga...and i figured it was a she not a he lol

i dont like how you can see the insides of the gauges in thoes pictures..

Dale

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Yes. I edited my first post and corrected that the other day.

Pills,
I'm dealing with a guy named Paul. He is the one actually making/designing the clusters. I am assuming Olga is a she, and part of the sale dept.

92camaroracer

yup, just noiced lol

Pillsbry10

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lol sorry it doesnt matter about olga

i do like those for the most part, good color choice as well

Al Hasse

I agree. I would imagine one could make a stencil and mask off the area of the actual display, then paint the back side of the lens black, allowing only the display to show through. Then again, that is something that could be done in production.

92camaroracer

i was thinking of just tinting the original plexiglass and put it back on

Pillsbry10

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The tailight spray(VHT I think) would work well for that as well