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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 05:46 AM
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Need carpet install help

Putting the main carpet in and having some issues. I’ve looked at other threads on the topic but still having trouble. My main issue is I can’t seem to get the carpet close enough to the front to have the plastic pads near / under the pedals. The carpet is from ACC and has mass backing & jute padding. There’s an area on the back of the carpet without jute which is lined up with the rear floor rail under the front seat so it appears to be in the right place but the plastic pads aren’t forward enough. Does this look right? Should I leave it knowing I have matching ACC floor mats?






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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 06:38 AM
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Just keep playing with it. I was shocked by how much I had to trim from the same carpet from ACC. I struggled too getting it as forward as possible but eventually got it. There seems to be excess slack in the center console area which will be your next pain point.
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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 06:55 AM
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I put the same carpet in mine. I had to do a lot of trimming up by the front to get it far enough forward. The area around the foot wells and in front of the center console I cut a lot out of. I also cut a lot out of the sides by the door sills. Letting the carpet settle for a couple of warmer days helps. I eventually got it fitting like the original. I've done it a few times. It's not a fun job, going slow will help.
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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 12:59 PM
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I wonder if I'll encounter that issue when I go to install mine...
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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 01:07 PM
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Re: Need carpet install help

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Just keep playing with it. I was shocked by how much I had to trim from the same carpet from ACC. I struggled too getting it as forward as possible but eventually got it. There seems to be excess slack in the center console area which will be your next pain point.
could you possibly post a picture of your carpet showing where the plastic pads should be located.
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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 07:43 PM
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ACC just failed me for a third time (out of 3 tries), and I had to threaten to take them to small claims court to get them to take this one back, which they finally did last week, so the situation hasn't been resolved yet.

They called me a liar and insisted that I cut it poorly, even though I had cut NOTHING. All I did was unfold it, and the issues were so obvious that even a blind man could've seen them.

They have some serious quality control issues there, yet with every failure, they just won't change anything or retrain anyone. When you're the only game in town, you don't care about quality or customer service, I guess.

There are install vids on YT that show the same issues, except the car owners apparently didn't notice or didn't care. Pathetic operation, ACC. Needs new ownership, more competent, that cares.

The second failure I kept. I made it work, but in a very unorthodox manner, which is why I decided to give them one more shot. When I get home shortly (I'm out at the moment) I'll click a pic of the footwell and pads for you.
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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 08:32 PM
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Here you go. There's a lot to cutoff at the top that goes up the firewall. Once you cut that off (use your original carpet as a template here, if you still have it), then you'll be able to pull the carpet up as far as it needs to be. And you can't go simply by the console cutout that they make. You'll have to cut a lot more of that out to fit around everything on the trans hump.



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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 09:03 PM
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This is how mine came out as well. I totally agree w the cutting up front but even more so around the center console. I didn't think about that till you mentioned it. I ordered it w the hole pre cut. That was kind of a joke, I think I cut the hole about a foot (ish) back (I put it in 3 yrs ago). I thought about using the old carpet as a template but it was so gross, I didn't want it near my new one.

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Old Nov 7, 2024 | 11:40 PM
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Dang, my new carpet is still in the box. I bought it sometime last year (don't even remember what month). I have installed ACC carpet in 2 cars but never in a thirdgen...
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Old Nov 8, 2024 | 05:09 AM
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Beyond the cutting that was needed, I used a carpet steamer and lots of weights to get mine to form into the shape it needed to be. I did end up with pretty good results, but it was in no way "pull it outta the box and slap it in".....
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Old Nov 8, 2024 | 04:12 PM
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I got the carpet a little more forward but only slightly. Looks like this is as good as it’s going to get unfortunately. If I pull the carpet forward any more then I get a gap between the front and rear carpet on top of the tunnel.


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Old Nov 8, 2024 | 04:19 PM
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That looks about right .. the pad do not go under the pedals...they go where your heal is.... If you lined up the gap in the jute with the floor structure rub.... It's in the right place....

Have done carpet in 3 third gens.... And it's mostly about trimming the excess.
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Old Nov 8, 2024 | 05:45 PM
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I'm wondering if your approach is backwards. You need to start at the rear, then work your way up toward the front.

The carpet is already molded for the rear seat wells, the rails that the rear seats bolt into, the rear footwells, the front footwells, and the floor rails where the front seats bolt down to. Line up all of those contours, and the front foot pads and dead foot pedal pad will fall into place.

But it will still be difficult to get all of that front carpet under the dash before you cut it off, so you'll have to do some estimating of the front of the carpet and cut it off so you can get it under the dash when you lay the carpet in the car. That's where I said to use the original carpet as sort of a template, if you still have it, so you can get an idea of how much to chop off of the front before you try to install the carpet.

Start at the rear and get all of the pre-molded contours lined up and laid down first, beginning with the wells under the rear seats. Here are more pictures to try to show all of the contours that are already molded into the carpet backing. You don't have to mold the carpet over those areas manually because it's already molded. When you initially laid the carpet out, you just needed to kind of reshape those areas because they probably came out of the box a mess.





So all of those humps, shapes, contours, etc., are all molded into your carpet/backing. Lay them into their positions, and then lay the front footwells.


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Old Nov 8, 2024 | 05:59 PM
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Better to have too much than not enough. Can always trim the excess...
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 09:25 AM
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I'm wondering if your approach is backwards. You need to start at the rear, then work your way up toward the front.

The carpet is already molded for the rear seat wells, the rails that the rear seats bolt into, the rear footwells, the front footwells, and the floor rails where the front seats bolt down to. Line up all of those contours, and the front foot pads and dead foot pedal pad will fall into place.

But it will still be difficult to get all of that front carpet under the dash before you cut it off, so you'll have to do some estimating of the front of the carpet and cut it off so you can get it under the dash when you lay the carpet in the car. That's where I said to use the original carpet as sort of a template, if you still have it, so you can get an idea of how much to chop off of the front before you try to install the carpet.

Start at the rear and get all of the pre-molded contours lined up and laid down first, beginning with the wells under the rear seats. Here are more pictures to try to show all of the contours that are already molded into the carpet backing. You don't have to mold the carpet over those areas manually because it's already molded. When you initially laid the carpet out, you just needed to kind of reshape those areas because they probably came out of the box a mess.





So all of those humps, shapes, contours, etc., are all molded into your carpet/backing. Lay them into their positions, and then lay the front footwells.
My carpet doesn’t have pronounced humps over the seat rails like that picture. The only clear contoured areas are the recessed rear seats and foot wells. Those appear to be pretty much in the correct location. My carpet has mass backing and jute so maybe they couldn’t properly form those seat rail contours??
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 01:10 PM
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Pretty sure the contours are there. If they aren't, then contact them. The mass backing should actually make it easier to find them.

I'm not sure what your weather is like up there, but it's probably cold, so if your work environment isn't hot, then it's not going to be easy to reshape the carpet after taking it out of the box. It's really a mess when first unpacked, so it can be difficult to find the contours, but they're there, and it could take days, not hours, to work the carpet back into shape. Just "laying it out for an hour or so," or whatever lame instructions they offer, isn't going to do it. It has to be worked over, from front to back, and top surface to bottom surface. But once you get it all reshaped, then you shouldn't have to drag the carpet up toward the front to lay out the front footwells. And your most recent pic doesn't look "close enough."

Being in the desert, I laid mine out on the driveway during our 110* days, and it made the backing like "putty in my hands," so to speak, making it easier to reshape it from the mess it was in after taking it out of the box, but still took a few hours to get all of the contours reshaped. So a very warm environment helps a lot.

You need to get it looking like this before you try to put it in the car.



Those pictures were of their first failed attempt 4 years ago, while I was getting it reshaped on my driveway. This is the standard Cut Pile, probably like yours. Their failures were the way they cut it at the rear. They overcut/cutoff the rear corners, where it's supposed to be molded up and over the metal floor where the seat belts bolt down. But they cut it all the way up to the rear seat wells, leaving that whole portion of the metal floor exposed. I had them pick it up and take it back.

They did the exact same thing on the piece I'm fighting with them about this time too. And there's a vid on YT of someone installing his, and they did the same thing to his, and the metal floor is exposed there. I didn't comment on it though. He seemed too excited about his new carpet. I suspect they're doing that most of the time, but I guess most people are just happy to have new carpet that they either don't notice it, or they don't care. But I noticed, and I care, and ACC doesn't like that lol.

But they CAN do it right, because they did it right on their second (failed) attempt, and that's what's in my car at the moment. Here are a couple of pictures of it laid out after I reshaped it. You can see that those rear corners are molded up and over, instead of being cutoff all the way up to the rear seat wells. That proves that whoever is cutting off the corners in that area is doing it wrong. The problem with this carpet, though, is that the hump was molded about 2" too tall. This one is the Ultra Plush, so it's much thicker. The closest color in Ultra Plush isn't quite right, which is why they do black foot pads up front, but the carpet is nice and very heavy.



I kept this one even though it was made incorrectly too, because it's nice carpet. But I still wanted them to do it right, and that's why I just tried again this year, and they mucked it up again, just like the first time.

One thing that can help make the front installation easier is to split the front of the carpet, from the top of the console cutout, all the way forward. Then after you get the back and seat areas all in place, you can roll out the front and work on one side at a time. That split front section of the carpet will be hidden by the console and dash, and the backing keeps the carpet rigid, so it will never be seen, and it will never fall down. I did that to this one because it's so heavy, and it sure made it easier to roll the front of the carpet into place.
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