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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Well, I was concerned that the car was losing 60`ft time with the starting line antic`s it had, I have to say the launch is much straighter and there is definetly less wheel input needed to drive the car. Sad part is the 60 ft improvements I was looking for did not surface this weekend, it did go 1/1000th faster 60 but there another reason for that probably....I finally had the time to wire up the nitrous and all of it`s supporting systems, what a PIA but worth it in the end

here`s a comparison video of before after, goggle really cuts the quality down !

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...76175511&hl=en
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...39591841&hl=en

And a nice 330` shot by the local photo guy!
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 06:29 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

im amazed how straight my car goes with the wolfe. what kinda 60's are you getting?
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

60`s were 1.45-1.50 before and this weekend it went 1.44 I`d like to get it to the 1.3`s but I`m not sure where to look now, the rear gear is no good for the No2...it`s outta legs by the 1000 ft mark, I`m going to have to go to a 4.10 to get the revs down, that`s probably not going to be good for the 60 time but who knows it may help? probably those heavy iron heads killin` me
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

That second vid is nice!!! The car looks tough from the rear with that bar on too. I plan on installing the Comp Eng bar one of these days. Thats a real SWEET ride.
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

now wait until you take a passenger with you down track, it will show you just how sensative this anti roll bar is...if your leaving straight now, add a passenger and you will steer hard right...scared me the first time it happened to me, but after a few passes i got used to it and was prepared for it before letting go of the button.

but yeah, there is no comparison between the wolfe craft and the ole air bag..expensive, but easily one of the better suspension mods.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 01:11 AM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Josh, they let you ride passengers down the track? We cant do that

Greezemonkey: Car looks great! Was that the first pass with it or have you dialed in the rest of the suspension yet? There could still be lots more in it. I dont think that 4.10's will hurt you that much on the 60's though you may have to step down to a shorter tire, im assuming you're running 4.30's or 4.56's?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:07 AM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

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Josh, they let you ride passengers down the track? We cant do that

Greezemonkey: Car looks great! Was that the first pass with it or have you dialed in the rest of the suspension yet? There could still be lots more in it. I dont think that 4.10's will hurt you that much on the 60's though you may have to step down to a shorter tire, im assuming you're running 4.30's or 4.56's?
you can have a passenger, but it's only on t&t's, or after the race is done and they have time to let guys test a bit before shutting down. you do a bye run only and pass must have the jacket and helmet too. lotta fun taking the buddies that think they know what fast is down the track...seeing them squirm and grabbing things white knuckled is a riot lol!!
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Yeah, i cant wait to get mine to the track! if i ever make it back home with the car (1100 miles from where im stationed) i can take passengers on that track but is in the middle of BFE! My buddy has a mid 12 sec 1/4 mile chevelle that everyone things is the fastest thing around, wait till they ride in Z
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Originally Posted by IHI
you can have a passenger, but it's only on t&t's, or after the race is done and they have time to let guys test a bit before shutting down. you do a bye run only and pass must have the jacket and helmet too. lotta fun taking the buddies that think they know what fast is down the track...seeing them squirm and grabbing things white knuckled is a riot lol!!
Yea, Josh...like the guys that think 11s is nothing, and they never even rode in a 12 second car....lol. Its fun to see the look on their face.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Originally Posted by brutalform
Yea, Josh...like the guys that think 11s is nothing, and they never even rode in a 12 second car....lol. Its fun to see the look on their face.
LOL, had a few buddies that like cars, but are'nt into them like some of us are, hear them talk about the cars they had in HS that were fast, how corvettes are fast had a colored buddy i used to work with i took for a ride with the old 388 when i first fired it up...my original passenger stayed and shot the breeze with buddy i took for a ride wife....he never said two words from the time i stood on it until we got back to his house, he got out and my friend said he was as white as michel jackson LMFAO!!!

took same "brotha" down the track so he could feel 100% traction and i kept trying to talk to him making the pass and he was staring straight ahead oblivious to anything going on...it was priceless and worth the gas/tires i burnt up. we got back and he said he could'nt catch his breath until after half track LOL!!

people like to talk to fit in, but most have no idea what it takes to even run low 11's na much less in the 10's na. why i kinda half to laugh at all the bs you hear spewed at the race track from spectators, since no matter how fast you/i just ran..they're cousin/brother/uncle/grandpa/dad has gone faster and had more power...never fails.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

That second vid is nice!!! The car looks tough from the rear with that bar on too. I plan on installing the Comp Eng bar one of these days. Thats a real SWEET ride.
Thanks alot man it`s been a ton of work over the last year to get it to this point! I appreciate the props!

now wait until you take a passenger with you down track, it will show you just how sensative this anti roll bar is...if your leaving straight now, add a passenger and you will steer hard right...scared me the first time it happened to me, but after a few passes i got used to it and was prepared for it before letting go of the button.

but yeah, there is no comparison between the wolfe craft and the ole air bag..expensive, but easily one of the better suspension mods.

Thanks for the heads up on that, I don`t have a passenger seat but I`ll keep that one in mind....I could tell when I went to adjust it, it only took the twist of a finger to move the body of the car up or down!

Greezemonkey: Car looks great! Was that the first pass with it or have you dialed in the rest of the suspension yet? There could still be lots more in it. I dont think that 4.10's will hurt you that much on the 60's though you may have to step down to a shorter tire, im assuming you're running 4.30's or 4.56's?
Hey Thanks wheelz, that was the first day out with the bar on, there could be more there but I don`t know where to look, I`m pulling the chunk tonight and getting a set of 4.10`s probably, the guy that does the rears for me suggested a 3.89 though...I`m pulling the tru trac out too and going to a spool. I`m running a 4.30 with 29 hoosiers. on that 9.80 pass I started the progressive nitrous controller out at 60% and ramped it all in by 2.0 sec`s...I wasn`t pulling out enough timing and it was lean on the fuel side looking at the plugs but if you look at the video on a big screen in slow motion there was a bit of tire shake and it looks like the tire wasn`t going to hold anymore power off the line, I may need to look into a better set of rear springs and shocks now.

Funny that you guys started talking about guys who are all talk, I convinced a electrican from work to come out with us, he has talked big about srts and cobolts, evo`s and some suburu running big #`s for a year now, needless to say he found out real fast that the little stocker buzz boxes are not drag star hero`s by any means
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Is it just me, or does it look like the front is comming up good, then the rear looks like its unloading forcing the front down, then it tries to climb again and there is some bounce in the rear?.

With the bar on there and what not, I would expect it to carry the front end a bit better, but it seems to be bobbing up and down alot?.

What Springs and Shocks are on the front and back and also what is the pinion angle set for? maybe installing the bar changed it?

Also, I think 3:89's with that BBC on n20 would be awesome, u prob wouldn't lose much outa the hole since im sure she has TQ.

low 9 second car right there.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

i believe what you're seeing is the gear shift
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Originally Posted by xpndbl3
i believe what you're seeing is the gear shift
No not that far out. I might be wrong, I was just expecting the car to carry the front end out a little more thats all.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

The launch looks good - there appears to be a slight twitch to the right after the Wolfe Bar's atypical quick hop in the air by the front wheels on launch -
but not as pronounced as without the Bar

I experienced the same thing after my recent install and first pass - just cant get to post video - its a dvd recording and I need some software

Does anyone "not" have what I call a 'torque induced twitch" to the right after the front wheels set back down?

If so, which way did you go on adjustment - and did you concentrate on passenger side links only ??

Please let me know

Great ride you have there by the way
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Nope it`s not the shift...

Is it just me, or does it look like the front is comming up good, then the rear looks like its unloading forcing the front down, then it tries to climb again and there is some bounce in the rear?.

With the bar on there and what not, I would expect it to carry the front end a bit better, but it seems to be bobbing up and down alot?.

What Springs and Shocks are on the front and back and also what is the pinion angle set for? maybe installing the bar changed it?

Also, I think 3:89's with that BBC on n20 would be awesome, u prob wouldn't lose much outa the hole since im sure she has TQ.

low 9 second car right there
Your right the front drops like a rock after the luanch, the left rear was unloading so that`s the reason for the wolfe bar, I really think the front end of the car is soo heavy there isn`t enough power to keep it up, the iron heads are a ton.
The front has a 10 inch 250# coil over on a 90/10 lakewood and the rear are stock iroc`s cut down a bit with a 50/50 comp engineering adjustable.
I may go 4.10`s , he has a used set there I could get for next to nothing...3.89 are a big jump but the torque would probably carry them fine, just no more motor passes with good times.

I`m thinking of going to the hals or strange rears and maybe 70/30 comp fronts...I still have too much left in the car to quit buying parts now
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Originally Posted by greezemonkey
Nope it`s not the shift...



the front drops like a rock after the launch, I really think the front end of the car is soo heavy there isn`t enough power to keep it up, the iron heads are a ton.
Mine did the same thing, so dont feel bad:
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Nice launches I can really see a difference. Its good to know that money spent on something actually works. Nice passes by the way, great times.
I know what you guys mean about friends talking. I had a friend of mine put together a 350 and once he picked it up from the builder all he kept saying was when I get it in the car your the first person I want to run. I didnt back down one bit I said bring it on, in a friendly matter. Then I asked him what kind of power it was making and he said about 400. Then I said ok well that is at the flywheel I am making about 430 to the tires so anytime your ready so am I. I never heard that statement form him again.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 09:45 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

i built my anti roll bar (probably stiffer ) and leaving on a trans brake it doesnt jerk the front up it actually starts rolling then raises the front and if it comes down before the 60 its a good day (1.35 best recorded 60) i can also put it on the bumper if i wanted ...wich i dont paint is too hard to match.went 9.99 on a 150 shot and 355 small block, stock crank and rods by the way, then recently started going to friday night drags at atlanta motor speedway and that track (pit road ) sucks for traction so i decided id put the higher stall converter back in and play, it was awsome had the whole place cheering like 3 to 4 thousand people in the stands...a friend is supposed to put some vids on you tube they are not up yet but i can tell you it doesnt twist
just got a pic just leaving front goes higher

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs16/f/20...raxxnstamp.jpg

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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Your only spraying 125. I would step it up to at least 225, especially if you have a progressive. With the gear i would leave your 4.30 in it, or maybe go to a 4.10. The rules i have always heard for stock suspension on 28s is ... MOTOR- 4.56 or higher Nitrous-4.10-4.30 Turbo-3.73 or lower
but we only race eight mile tracks, 1/4 mile i wouldnt know.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

ok update, i did put it on the bumper, off the tires and it was still straight, thank you anti-roll bar lol
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

Originally Posted by car_fixer
i built my anti roll bar (probably stiffer ) and leaving on a trans brake it doesnt jerk the front up it actually starts rolling then raises the front and if it comes down before the 60 its a good day (1.35 best recorded 60) i can also put it on the bumper if i wanted ...wich i dont paint is too hard to match.went 9.99 on a 150 shot and 355 small block, stock crank and rods by the way, then recently started going to friday night drags at atlanta motor speedway and that track (pit road ) sucks for traction so i decided id put the higher stall converter back in and play, it was awsome had the whole place cheering like 3 to 4 thousand people in the stands...a friend is supposed to put some vids on you tube they are not up yet but i can tell you it doesnt twist
just got a pic just leaving front goes higher

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs16/f/20...raxxnstamp.jpg

Was that one of the rags test mule? RHS I think...

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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Re: Wolfe anti roll effects.....

yes it was formerly the hard rock camaro, and on the cover of small block chevy performance, dave emanual used to own it
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