Could the weld in boxed UMI's be drilled and bolted at the front tab. I was thinking of drilling the tab and frame. Is there access at the front frame rail where a guy could put a nutplate or at least a nut and plate inside frame rail ? This would be just for my peace of mind and also would hold them securely while I welded them. Anyone with these talk to me please. Thx

 

not worth the time, and probably a hackjob at that. Just wait and get them welded in at once

 

Excuse me what part of that sounds like a hack job ? Read the post I am going to weld them.

 

Save yourself a ton of time and effort and use a bottle jack to hold the connectors securly in place while you weld them.

 

the bolt bit. there are not holes in the frame rail where you could get a washer/plate and nut into. the only way to do it would be to cut a hole in the frame, not a good idea, or drill all the way into passenger compartment and put the nut/plate in there.
I didnt mean to sound like a ****, but its just not a thing that seems practical

for that matter, on the driverside i know there is a hole in the bottom of the frame, i just dont know where it is in relation to the subframe connector. I suppose you could try to fish a washer and nut into there and try to bolt it together. you'll have to get under therre and check it out
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thats a good idea too

 

Well thx , Captain obvious, I never would have thought of that.
I just wanted a bolt at each end. Oh well it was a good idea.

 

no it wasnt a good idea, it was just an idea.

If it was a good idea go do it then and show us pics as to why that was better then just holding it in place with a jack.

Dont attack people trying to help you. You asked a question, they told you what the best way to do it was. So whats your problem?

 

Ok captain fabrication go cut of your frame to install your precious bolts. If your idea is so good then why are you here asking questions?

 

All of us here are not eighteen and don't appreciate being treated that way. I asked a question to those that had them and instead got flack. Just answer the question and explain why it would or would not work. Not just forget that and use a jack or that is a hack job. F off you little moron, ever heard of bolt in subframe connectors. 18 year old know it alls.

 

a little tact is key, i think what i said pretty much covered your point without being an idiot about it

Jetmeck youre going to find people a lot more helpful if you dont come back with comments like thanks captain obvious.

Basically the response to your question was your idea is more work then its worth, and nto any more effective then just putting a jack under it.

 

Wow Jetmeck you sure are assuming alot. I was trying to help you out by suggesting an alternate method. One that might have been quicker and just as effective at keeping them secure. What you suggested seemed like overkill as a temporary hold.

Yes 19doug90 you are correct I was hasty in my response. Thanks for making the point.

 

Now you come off telling me about tact. Best go read your previous post. It was rude and yes tactless. Bolt in subframe connectors ? Heard of them ? It's bolted at the back so why not at the front.

Could care less whether you thought it was a good idea. I did and was just asking if those that had them thought it could be done. Ever read any posts where the welds broke. I have plenty. If the right welder is not used the weld will not penetrate the frame rails enough to last long term. Bolts and welds would be stronger than one or the other.

Here is a worst case scenario. Front of subframe connector cracks at weld and brakes loose falling to the ground at which point it hits the first obstruction it finds. Ever been pole vaulting ? Sure some weld the pinchpoints at the ends and the floor pan but most others don't as it is not required and welding varies in quality widely.

So I'll ask if you think that ONE bolt is a bad idea or maybe for safety sake a good one. All I know for sure is it ONE bolt on each side and both it and the weld with be stronger together. .....Was that tactful enough for you ?

NEVER said it was temporary either.

 

if the bars are welded in properly, they will not break off. The whole car is welded together, and its still in one piece. If you would feel better with a bolt in the front as "oh crap" insurance, by all means go ahead and do what you see fit. If you are trying to use a bolt as a "band-aid" for poor welding technique, you may hold the connector on the car, but it will not be as effective.
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for someone calling everybody else 18 year olds, this is very immature for someone of your age.

Yes ive heard of bolt on connectors, but they are designed differently, usually have a cupped end that goes over the entire frame rail and you bolt through them horizontally.

 

did you edit your post cause i swear it said something worse then that in the first place. What it says now isnt even so bad.


AND jetmeck i was talking to jason89rs and not you.

every now and then i run into someone like you jetmeck on these boards who asks a question and then decides to just yell at everyone when they dont get what they want to hear.

Where are all these stories from of people braking off SFC's cause ive never heard of anything like that. i thought the bolt was just an idea to help you line up the sfc better, as 86 said you need to find someone else to do the welds if thats an issue, because the welds should never break. If the welder has even a slight clue as to what hes doign the weld will be stronger then the metal around it

 

Nope... if I had edited it, it would have had a last edited date at the bottom of the post.....and it doesn't. I'll admit that my first response wasn't so tactful, but my blood pressure was a little raised by jetmecks attack.

Jetmeck I think all of us were unclear that you were looking for a permanent "backup" solution.

I think all of this could if have been avoided if you had been a little more clear on what you were trying to accomplish. If your first post had said something like you were concerned about the welds breaking and wanted the extra protection of having a bolt to secure the fronts of the connectors you might have gotten the responses you were looking for.

The use of profanity, name calling and personal attacks were totally unwarranted and uncalled for.

 

i think i read this "Well thx , Captain obvious" and for some reason thought it came from your post.

you didnt even say anything that bad then, i apologize to you. I dont even vaguely understand people like this. Its like they come to the board for the sake of being right. I like being wrong, every time im wrong i learn something

 

Why not call UMI?? Eveytime I did I was able to talk to a tech. Problem solved??

 

Why would u go threw the time and trouble too fabricate a bolt in subframe connector... when there already made... lol. Just go buy a bolt in SFC and weld it also.... there u go theres ur piece of mind AND its simple. I know from experince how much of a pain in the a** it is too hack threw frames ive done it on many jeeps over the years just save urself the time. And the ppl that commented on ur post where only trying too help this is my first time reading this and u came off as a a**hole no offense.