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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 04:11 PM
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att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

i am wanting to make my car into a handleing monster for the track(road race) i want to run a t56 in my car and need to replace my trans mount and my torque arm.i was thinking about both sphoon and bmr torque arms one mounts to the trans mount and the other to the body. i wanna know the benifits to both of these or why one is better than another. i hope the company themselves share something.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

i went from stock to UMI panhard and control arms, z28 sway bars front and back, welded me tq arm so be solid and put all polly bushings everywhere......it like its on rails now going around turns
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

if its going to be a race car, you need to make sure that whatever mods you do are allowed in the class you intend to race in.

Aside from that, the crossmember mounted arms are superior in strength. The also remove the stress from the tail shaft of the trans. They will transfer vibrations and road noise however.

Im using UMI's crossmember mounted torque arm and love it to death.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 05:59 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

maybe i was wrong to say bmr? did i get the name wrong?


its not really likie a race car more like a bad street.

i kow i wanna get it off the tail of my trans. i know a z that broke off under a launch.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

I have a spohn adj. trq arm and t56 crossmember that the trq arm mounts to. They are Nice pieces.

You cant go wrong with ANY of them. guess is all personal preff. I traded a cowl hood for my parts so Im not biased twards any one company.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

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maybe i was wrong to say bmr? did i get the name wrong?


its not really likie a race car more like a bad street.

i kow i wanna get it off the tail of my trans. i know a z that broke off under a launch.
nothing wrong with bmr, just as far as i know they only offer a stock style mount torque arm, and the other requires locating and welding in a crossmember. IT is a good piece, people are going really fast with it.

Spohn and UMI have the crossmember mounted ones that are bolt in deal. I just like UMI because its made from a better selection of material than spohn, though its probably a little heavier.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

ok i want more opinions. i want to know before i buy. or any other companys. i want to road race my car. no rules just me. maybee some scca autocross?


i want tho know what part i want
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Old Jun 22, 2009 | 07:13 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Originally Posted by 91camarosRS
ok i want more opinions.

i want tho know what part i want
nobody can make up your mind for you. as I said EVERYONE has a personal preff.
Go look at pictures of the ones you want. Check out the websites and prices.
Check here to see if anyone is getting rid of stuff.
Check Ebay for stuff.

find a good deal and buy one.
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Old Jun 22, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

My entire suspension is Spohn except for the stock 1LE front swaybar my car came with. I have zero complaints. I did modify the hell outta my spohn transmission crossmember though to gain more room for the exhaust. The torque arm is x-member mounted as well (not on trans tailshaft), really zero complaints on any of it.
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Old Jun 22, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

see thisn is what i want ppl telling me what they have and stuff
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Old Jun 22, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

ok, Im running coil-overs front and rear, 325lb springs front /175lb springs rear, probably swapping them for 175/350 progressive ones.
UMI tubular front a-arms, adjustable wonderbar preload outward, AGR quick ratio steering box, 3pt strut tower brace. UMI crossmember mounted torque arm, UMI double adjustable panhard bar and upper pandard support/relocation. Axle side panhard mount relocation. Custom Offset LCA's from Spohn. 36mm front bar, 19mm rear bar. Koni Sport front shocks, QA1 Carrera rear coil-over shocks. 18x8 front wheels, 245/45/18 bfg tires, 18x12 rear wheels 335/30/18 bfg tires.

the car handles very well on the street, the only thing holding it back is the tires, could use better tires and slightly wider fronts.

I might swap out the front coil-overs for ground control's weight jacks if i can find a buyer for the coil-over kit.
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Originally Posted by 91camarosRS
i am wanting to make my car into a handleing monster for the track(road race) i want to run a t56 in my car and need to replace my trans mount and my torque arm.i was thinking about both sphoon and bmr torque arms one mounts to the trans mount and the other to the body. i wanna know the benifits to both of these or why one is better than another. i hope the company themselves share something.
The answer you are looking for is going to be dependent on several different factors. If you would like to give me a call here at the office I can go over all of the options available to you

Last edited by BMR Tech; Jun 29, 2009 at 03:00 PM.
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Re-reading this post I can say 2 things. A tranny tailshaft mounted torque arm does provide less transfer of vibration and road noise but also put stress and load on the transmission itself via the tailshaft. A body mount style as you've called it is seen in 3 different version right now. There's a tranny tunnel mount system that attaches to a bracket thats attached to your tranny tunnel, a BMR type that has 2 plates (1 on each side of a tubular bar) that runs from side to side of your car and must be welded in, and possibly several other vendors which offer a tranny crossmember that has a mount built into it for the torque arm. This is achieved via a "shackle" type setup and if its not tightened right you'll get a nice "clunk" simliar to a broken transmission mount, no, not exactly like it but thats the only thing I could compare it too. My last post on me describing my entire (and I mean ENTIRE) undercarriage being Spohn products was only to illustrate the point that I've had ZERO complaints with the torque arm setup from him, nor the other products. FWIW I have a brand new BMR torque arm setup that I described whoever I opted not to use it because I did not want to redesign or modify the spohn torque arm to mate to it so I stuck with my Spohn TKO-600 crossmember and modified that for better exhaust clearance.
Good luck with your build.
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Old Jun 27, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

I have a question similar to "91camarosRS" but I of course have a different setup. I have a T5 right now but eventually want a 6-speed.
first question: As far as a torque arm, should I be looking at one that DOESN'T connect like the factory one(to the tailshaft) because of the new trans. in the future??
second question: I know you said it's personal pref. BUT, there are so many styles and company's that make torque arm's and lower control arm's that I'm going crazy tryin to figure out what I feel safe buying.
With LCA's, what's better, boxed or tubular??
with a torque arm, which style??
My car is lowered 2 inches and rides a little rough so I'm not worried at all about road noise, especially with my powertrax locker.
A buddy of mine told me to get bmr because they're good at track testing their stuff.
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Old Jun 28, 2009 | 03:56 AM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Well as far as I know everyone track tests their stuff. It's all good. It's sort of like choosing tires... Ask a friend or see what catches your eye....
Good luck!
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 04:27 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Best bet is going to go with a full length torque arm with a torque arm relocation bracket. It gives you the benefits of a full length arm with added adjustability but also takes the risk of breaking the transmission tailshaft away. The torque arm mounts to the crossmember and not the tranny. Here is a pic of the crossmember. If you have additional questions please give me a call at the office.
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Old Jun 30, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

thanks a lot!! I appreciate it!
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Old Jul 1, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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Re: att sphoon and bmr!(or anyone who might have input)

Originally Posted by ramotorsports
thanks a lot!! I appreciate it!
If you have any questions give me a call here at the office? I noticed my pic didn't load so you can't see what i was talking about. The full length setup with the relocation bracket will withstand a 8 second pass on the dragstrip.
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