otecnick88GTA

Hey guys looking for measurements and specs on these, I want to build my own set but don't know how long to make the bars and how far to put them apart and such, so does anyone have them and willing to take se measurements for me, thanks

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iTrader: (14)

articwhitez has them, maybe pm him

as for the bars, its not the best setup out there, in fact is a very limited design since they offer no adjustment after install unless you make some kind of adjustable mount on the chassis side and axle side for pinion angle adjustments. At that point, might as well use ladder bars.

otecnick88GTA

Ya I know there not very adjustable, but I heard they lanch starit as an arrow so, I plan on making them adjustable, fully agjust, length, pinion angle on the rear and cross member, but I just need to see how they did it so I can make mine

AlkyIROC

You would be much better off with some good aftermarket LCA, some relocation brackets and a good adjustable torque arm. It'll all cost you more but you'll be happier than with something like SSM bars.

otecnick88GTA

Ya I have the control arms and brackets, thing is I'm custom fitting a rear in and it won't have a ta mount, so I either need to make some kind of crazy ta mount or do the lift bars, the lift bars seemed like a easyer idea

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iTrader: (14)

if you are dead set on that rear, look into ladder bars instead.

or maybe look into what five7kid is using in this thread
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/orga...k-3rd-gen.html

a mini ladder bar thing that replaces the control arms and gets rid of the torque arm. Not sure im 100% on that idea, but he seems to be having pretty good luck with them so far.

otecnick88GTA

That would be perfect auctually, looks super easy to do auctually

Just a curious question for ya 86, are you going down to burnout/carshow weekend in wildwood next week? I'll be there without my car sadly but i want to see your car and it would be almost too conveient if you were there

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iTrader: (14)

nah, wont be there. Fixing a issue with the coilovers on the car at the moment, probably wont have it back together in time anyway.

otecnick88GTA

Ahh ohh well, good luck with that and thanks for the link, that helped me alot auctually

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iTrader: (14)

no problem.

if you for any reason happen to be up this way, you could swing by and check it out

or, some guys from NJFBOA have a little get together the 2nd tuesday of every month up in the hamilton area, since the weather is getting nicer i'll have the car to one of those dinners in the near future
-Phil

otecnick88GTA

Ya if I'm up that way I'll pm ya in advance, hmm did know they did that and i'm gonna look into it, that would be pretty awsome to go to
-Nick

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iTrader: (14)

yea, defiantly check onto NJFBOA, monthly meets all around the state, a good variety of people and usually good turnouts in the summer. And like i said a ground of us central jersey people meet up every month on the 2nd tuesday around hamilton for dinner.

otecnick88GTA

Ya let me know where you guys are gonna meet in a pm or something and I'll see if I can go

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

every body who knocks the south side bars, has never ran them..lol
with that posted, ill say I love them!

have had hot cars all my life have ran every thing, (Yes, even Lader Bars)

all you have to do is set them, and forget them.
most Guys cant do that.. they have to mess with the rear end all the time.
tweeking this.. adjsting that.. (been there done that) and wanted to stop
doing that.. and I did.

after you install the SFC's and cross member. making sure it all 100%
you set your pinion angle. and weld it to the rear housing..

now if you wanted you could turn the SSM lift bars into a adjustable set up. by installing a plate with more then Just 1 set of Holes, Iv never needed to do it..has, they do, lanch starit as an arrow 100% of the time.

the car just plane feels good to drive!! you Punch it.. its a rocket ship.
plane and simple. if i could do anything diff i would have made them tricker looking, then Just Plane Bars are boring looking(but i will say they are strong)

Birdstheword

so,what exactly do lift bars do? just curious..

otecnick88GTA

Articwhitez do you have more pictures?

articwhiteZ

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articwhiteZ

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in a nutshell?

plant the rear tires

By lifting the front end on take off, applying all the force down on the rear even= no twisting (that i can feel..ever)

and all of this tied in with the Subframe..

makes for a smooth ride also

the long nose/sholder/back/bottom, of a lader bar would not have room to move with out getting close to draging the ground.

i have had this set up on the 5.7 10 bolt. and on this 9" Ford, that you see in the photos.
at the time i installed the 9", SSM was still in biss, and sold me Just the lift bars, to add to the bolt in 9", I reset the pinion angle. and weld it Up. gave my old stuff away.



now adding every part Spohn Makes To the front End with coil overs.
and a Better sping set up in the Back.

otecnick88GTA

awesome thank you for the pics, im really not sure what i want to do, i mean they seem easy enough to make but then again no adjustments

how far is the cross member from the lca mount points? looks to be about a foot to me, and for the spot that welds to the rear how far down does that come? like 4-5"?

AlkyIROC

They work similar to a ladder bar system however all the torque is placed on the bottom of the mount. Ladder bars work by pulling on the top bar and pushing on the bottom bar even though they're all one piece in a triangulated design. The top mount is at or above the axle tube. The bottom mount is below the axle tube. The SSM bars put the mount well below the axle tube and all the twisting force is placed on the angled section and weld at the bottom of the axle tube. They have been known to break which is probably why they're not sold any more.

The IC is at the front mount point. Although it can't be moved forward and backward, it can be moved up and down depending on how the front mount point is designed.

Using LCA sized "ladder bars" will work however the IC is very far back and high in relation to the anti-squat which makes performance suspension geometry even worse. Although it may work well on the street, it won't do very well at the track.

Using a SSM/ladder bar design is hard on the street. The axle won't roll as you go over bumps. As one wheel lifts up to go over a bump, so will the other. This makes for a rougher ride.

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

Show be a set of Broken SSM lift bars. ill show you a meathead whos running them without LCA!
and thats a NO NO!! laderbars apply force the same way. with a 3rd gen Camaro you dont have room for the Big Bulky Ladder set up.(tall) with out making room for them (cutting your floor) had ladder bars on my 70 chevel SS 454. LIKED THE LOOKS OF THEM FOR SURE!!

SSM is out of Biss thats why they are not sold anymore (mismanagement)
No adjustments.yes they dont have any.. you set it right one time and ejoy it for the rest of the time!

ride on the street is smooth. my car is not sitting low so speed bums have never been a prob.never have to go at an angle, in the photos i posted the lift bars ar not fully welded in yet. the shop who did the work. did not weld it all the way around the tube. till I check the Pinon angle my self.
the tube when all done is fully welded all the way around with a strap going over the top
if done right it will and should never break. mine never has. but i have broken lots of ring gears in the old 7.5

would be real easy to Make.

can get a set of better photos for you. the car is in the air right now.
getting set to work on it.. have alot of new parts to install. has the new eng slides in also. will try to get a mesr tape in the photos has well.

sombody just sold a set on this site a few weeks ago. that would be the guy to get some of the flate shots of parts from.. i have all the install info still.

otecnick88GTA

your my hero man, your really helping me and a buddy out, he had them on a car like 10 years ago he said but the car got totaled, he was thinking of making a set but didn't know where to start for measurements and all, pictures and the install info would be great. thanks a bunch!

Birdstheword

are lift bars the same as traction bars? like the ones lakewood makes?

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

no..traction bars aid in the stoping of the leaf spring warping in the front.
and making wheel hop.

Birdstheword

hmmm.... leaf springs? then why would they make them for our cars? lakewood states its for 82-92 F-body...

articwhiteZ

iTrader: (56)

they must be making something and calling it a traction bar/AKA what ever they want Bar..if it dose not come with SFC that you weld in..then it's not a lift bar...

edit: went to there website and checked them out.. cool looking yes ..but not the same.

and i did see a copy of some parts SSM made back in the 90s..and lakewood is using the lift bar name on them now.. so Go Fig, they would use it on other parts as well,

the Lift Bar was a SSM trade mark.. there doors are closed now. so now is the time to bring back this fantastic part from the past.

wish they looked more like lader bars trick looking

otecnick88GTA

Are those the ones with the goofy brackets on them? I think they have a weird lca type relocater on them, just put the relocator brackets