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Old Jun 29, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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Panhard,lca and coilover questions

HI everybody.

I just wanna check with you guys if i´ll have got this right, the benefit with adjustable panhard is that you can center the rear axel better when the car is lowered? What is the benefit with adjustable lca:s? do you ( that have change it to aftermarket panhard and lca:s) that it was a big difference between original and aftermarket? is the qa1 coilovers the only on the market to camaro?

Maybe a dumb question but can i put springs on this koni struts:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-8741-1030SPT/

and use the coilover conversion kit to get "coilovers":
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/pr...%252dArms.html
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Old Jun 29, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

Our adjustable PHB has three main advantages. Improved strength. Improved bushings (poly, Roto-Joint or rod end) to reduce lateral deflection. And adjustability to properly locate the diff side to side.

Adjustable lowers allow you to optimize axle alignment when using aftermarket housings, optimizing a tweaked car, or fine tuning thrust angle. The same benefits also as above.
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Old Jun 29, 2012 | 07:56 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

Okey. Sounds as a good idea to invest adjustavle lca:s and panhard. Do you sell the coilover conversion kit? Is it ment to use eith regular shocks such as koni or simular shocks?
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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 10:54 PM
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Okey. Sounds as a good idea to invest adjustavle lca:s and panhard. Do you sell the coilover conversion kit? Is it ment to use eith regular shocks such as koni or simular shocks?
Unfortunately we don't carry any rear coilover conversion products. We do have standard dia springs in various brands, rates and functions. And the necessary shocks.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 12:15 AM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

Originally Posted by evo-offer
HI everybody.

I just wanna check with you guys if i´ll have got this right, the benefit with adjustable panhard is that you can center the rear axel better when the car is lowered? What is the benefit with adjustable lca:s? do you ( that have change it to aftermarket panhard and lca:s) that it was a big difference between original and aftermarket? is the qa1 coilovers the only on the market to camaro?

Maybe a dumb question but can i put springs on this koni struts:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-8741-1030SPT/

and use the coilover conversion kit to get "coilovers":
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/pr...%252dArms.html
The adjustable LCAs are nice to adjust thrust angle and you can also change wheelbase slightly if you so care.

May I ask what you are trying to accomplish with coilovers?
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 06:43 AM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

Originally Posted by 87350IROC
The adjustable LCAs are nice to adjust thrust angle and you can also change wheelbase slightly if you so care.

May I ask what you are trying to accomplish with coilovers?
I don´t try to accomplish anything really, buy wouldn´t it be better for the handling with springs on the shock instead for the original place?
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 09:20 PM
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The shock attachment area is NOT strong enough for springs, too. You need to do some serious beefing up. I have beefed mine up some, just to support the use of gas shocks.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 03:12 AM
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The shock attachment area is NOT strong enough for springs, too. You need to do some serious beefing up. I have beefed mine up some, just to support the use of gas shocks.
good to know. do you have any pictures of how you did with the towers?
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 11:57 AM
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No, but it was simple (and years ago). A fabricator just welded plates on, to beef up the area. The stock metal is pretty thin.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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No, but it was simple (and years ago). A fabricator just welded plates on, to beef up the area. The stock metal is pretty thin.
okay so a thicker metal plate would do the work?
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 06:23 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

Yes, for gas shocks.
Coil overs are a whole different story.
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Old Jul 8, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

just another question. is it big difference to put on these camber plates:

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/products/82%252d92-Camaro%7B47%7DFirebird-Heavy-Duty-Spherical-Caster%7B47%7DCamber-Plates.html
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Old Jul 8, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

These are a pretty popular item for us. They are super strong, provide the opportunity for increased caster and camber over stock, and get rid of the rubber bushing up top. The rubber bushing is replaced with a high quality Teflon lined spherical bearing.

These make for a precise steering feel for sure.
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 04:56 AM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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These are a pretty popular item for us. They are super strong, provide the opportunity for increased caster and camber over stock, and get rid of the rubber bushing up top. The rubber bushing is replaced with a high quality Teflon lined spherical bearing.

These make for a precise steering feel for sure.

sounds nice. just one more question, is it possible to use stock a-arms and aftermarket with this k-member: http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=627
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 08:10 AM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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sounds nice. just one more question, is it possible to use stock a-arms and aftermarket with this k-member: http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=627
Yup, stock arms fit with a tiny bit of trimming. Our pickup points are designed around our arms but work just fine with factory arms as well.

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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 12:10 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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Yup, stock arms fit with a tiny bit of trimming. Our pickup points are designed around our arms but work just fine with factory arms as well.

ramey
good to know. it can be nice to be able to use stock a-arms if wanted.

is their any difference between these k-members in strenght and something else?:

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=627

and:
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=623
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

DON'T get poly bushings for your PHB or LCAs. Up front poly bushings are okay, but not in the rear, they are more prone to binding, which is bad.
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 01:25 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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DON'T get poly bushings for your PHB or LCAs. Up front poly bushings are okay, but not in the rear, they are more prone to binding, which is bad.
okay. what should i use instead? What do you mean with up front poly bushings are okay?
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 01:42 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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good to know. it can be nice to be able to use stock a-arms if wanted.

is their any difference between these k-members in strenght and something else?:

http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=627

and:
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=623
The upper link of the two goes nowhere. Which k were you linking to?

Also, we sell thousands of rear LCA/PHB poly bushing combos. When properly lubricated with pre-lube, properly maintained and properly torqued, the poly bushings don't bind. These poly formulations aren't those of 25 years ago. You can use poly wherever you want as long as it's lubed and not over-torqued.
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

The spherical bearing, it will be a bit more harsh, but handling will definitely be improved, whereas using poly would only hurt it when driving hard. And what I was referring to with up front, I meant suspension parts on the front of the car are fine to use poly.

I'd recomend this: http://www.foundersperformance.com/p...B47%7DRod.html
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Old Jul 10, 2012 | 08:53 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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The upper link of the two goes nowhere. Which k were you linking to?

Also, we sell thousands of rear LCA/PHB poly bushing combos. When properly lubricated with pre-lube, properly maintained and properly torqued, the poly bushings don't bind. These poly formulations aren't those of 25 years ago. You can use poly wherever you want as long as it's lubed and not over-torqued.
I really want to believe that, but every book, article and person I talk to says that poly bushings will still bind during Autox events.
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 05:05 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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The upper link of the two goes nowhere. Which k were you linking to?

Also, we sell thousands of rear LCA/PHB poly bushing combos. When properly lubricated with pre-lube, properly maintained and properly torqued, the poly bushings don't bind. These poly formulations aren't those of 25 years ago. You can use poly wherever you want as long as it's lubed and not over-torqued.
Oh sorry, i meant this:
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=627

And this k-member:
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=623
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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Oh, no difference. K's exactly the same.
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Re: Panhard,lca and coilover questions

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Yes, for gas shocks.
Coil overs are a whole different story.

Wait, so you "beefed it up" for the use of "gas shocks"

Well, you must certainly know something GM didnt, because every iroc around with the factory Bilsteins had gas charged struts.

Also in the front its STRUTS

Realistically no "beefing up" is necessary, though it generally doesnt hurt, install a quality 2 or 3 point strut tower brace and you are good.
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