Ok my friend is talking about how he is gonna get a Type-R engine or Vtech (I dont really pay attention) but anyways he makes it sound like it is a ****ing 502 SCed and how it will open up at some RPM range and is like a SCer. I dont really know how powerful it will be but I am planning on a V8 swap to throw his BIG *** engine down. So what will I need as far as HP and Torque to beat his? Keep in mind that his car is on a diet! Would Horsepower: 249 HP @ 5,000 RPM RPM
Torque: 304 Ft/Lbs @ 3,500 RPM do it? And we both will have manuals. I will have a 6 speed and he will have a 5 speed. Thanks!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

type r engine? what that for?

 

too much to explain. Its a *****'s engine, nough said.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

I am almost posotive that will beat him. I think that is 200 hp TOPS.

 

knowing the typical *****, he wont do anything, jsut talk, and he wont swap engines for sure, maybe add a K&N and muffler tip

 

That and Miss second Gear...




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85 Z28 - Daily Driver
60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )

 

Ah, some of those little ricers run high 13s. If it has 200 hp and you have 250, that is basically the same has him having 20 percent less weight than you. Lets say that your third gen weighs 3500 lbs, all the ***** needs to be is lower than about 2800 lbs and you are at a disadvantage.

You better run on a slick road (or get some more guts).

[This message has been edited by jcb999 (edited November 28, 2000).]

 

opps

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-=ICON MOTORSPORTS=-
1st & 3rd

[This message has been edited by ede (edited November 28, 2000).]

 

This is all I am going by. He has a 1.8L 1990 acura integra with 130 something HP. I have a 92 RS with about 160 HP. We both have 5 speeds and he can beat me by about a car length through 1st, 2nd, and half through 3rd. So with these numbers how much more HP would I have to have to be able to beat him with his Vtech?

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

You people need to not under-estimate integras. The new type-r runs a 14.6 bone stock. With some mods he will hand you your *** . Not trying to be rude but thats a fact. I have seen them first hand beat new camaro's and mustangs all night long.

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1984 Camaro Z28

Crate 350
Edelbrock Intake
Edelbrock TES Headers
Hooker 3" Catback
ASP Underdrive Pullies
Corvette Shift Servo

JBL 150watt Amp
JL Audio 12" sub

 

yea.. i was just crusing down the high way a few weeks ago, with this new prelude behind me. he pulled out to pass and i expected him to ease by, but damn. that dude took off.. i could have kept up with him easily.. but, he started moving from about 75 on up pretty quick

 

The new Type R's run 14.6 stock?? I'm yet to see it..there is this yellow "real" type R around here who can't get a low 15. I he cant drive either..but no one has type R's(aside from him). This kid like imported it from godzilla or something. The normal Vtecs are 15.9 sec. cars. They are fun to race in my mom's Contour Duratec

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-Red '88 IROC 5 Speed 305 TPI w/3.08
-Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch
-Accel 300+ Racing Ignition
-Accel 300+ Pro Sleeve Plug Wires
-Accel U-Groove Plugs
-Flowmaster Force II 3 Chamber Cat Back Exhaust
-Hypertech Chip
-Hypertech Airfoil
-Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
-Gutted Air Box
-Best E/T 14.686, 60' 2.205, 1/8th mile 9.461, 1/4 MPH 93.91
-Best 60' 2.17

 

Monkie,
I see you are from Greenville too! Where are you doing all this racing?!? I own a 91 RS and have raced a few times out on 291/Pleasantburg Dr. Generally I try to keep it to a minimum though. Oh by the way, if you are around town and see a bright red 91 RS with 16 inch factory rims it might be me.

Josh

ps. By the way, I don't know how familiar you are with the area, but I will warn you to not race within Mauldin or Greer city limits. Cops are everywhere there and they like to use their radar.

 

Monkie,
I have experience in this area and I will tell you first hand that all you will need to beat this type-R is a good pair of tennis shoes.
Good Luck and try not to trip after 20mph. You might hurt your knees.

 

I dont know if Ive seen ya around or not. Doubt it cause if I saw you you would have seen me and you would remember mine. If you see a IROC blue 92 RS with CAMARO across the windshield and RALLY on the doors then thats me. Actually the only time Ive seen a car that might have been you is around Berea I was going home and this red RS with its parking lights came behind me and it got my attention. If you live in Greenville you know what I mean by a 3rd gen getting your attention. Most all of the ones around here are pieces of dog ****! Like I said with all that writing and stuff on my car I always get a race, and plus I always run my parking lights. But it is hard to find races around here. We've got the cars but everyone (teenagers) are scared of the cops. Thats one thing I hate about this town, our cops SUCK! The first damn day I got my car a cop pulled me over because I looked "suspicious". That pissed me off, and on top of that my friend with the integ Im talkin about was in the car with me so the damn cop called for back up! I was like "WTF!? Yea we're gonna throw our wallets at you and speed away." But anyways, I hope I see ya around! Most of the time Im around Laurens Rd. and around Haywood mall. Around the mall is where you find your races . But like you said gotta be careful about the cops. But you will know me when you see me. Everyone around here knows me by my car and not by me (kinda sad huh?). But I hope to see ya round. Ill give ya a race!

Later,
Kevin



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Guys, I know how fast they are. When they hit a high RPM range that Vtech **** kicks in. But they still only have around 200 HP tops. tops means they stop there. So why are all of you guys acting like Im gonna need a 2000 SS SCed? Their not THAT FAST. Their quick, because they are light. Thats it, weight. So Im gonna get a fiberglass hood and doors. That will even it out with a 3.4L. Thats all Im gonna need. But thanks for the info!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Trust me, if he does slap in that engine, you'll need more than some fiberglass with your V6 to keep up. There is alot more that goes into figuring this out than just horsepower. The Type R engine has a great powerband and will definetaly smoke you in the uppers. It's a higher revving engine than yours and an overall lighter package. I don't know the spec's on your curent engine, but it's definately no match for a type R. Honestly, just swap in a 350 with some light mods and you'll be all set. The 350 is one of the best platforms to build on. At one point, you'll run out of mods you can do to your car. Hope this helps you out. By the way, my buddy has a 305tbi RS that gets smoked by preludes and integras. It's stock to the bone, but the fact remains that these ricers are pretty quick. I have a 65 Malibu with a 383 stroker pushing well over 400hp and it's safe to say that i have no problem dealing with basically any ricerocket you want to throw at me. There is no replacement for displacement, so swap in a 350 and blow him away.

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[This message has been edited by bzznczzn (edited November 29, 2000).]

 

I am not sure what a fiberglass door weighs (or why someone would put one on a street car), but you will only save about 50 lbs with a glass hood. I know first hand.
Plus, you can make a lot of hp mods for 400 bucks.

 

Don't underestimate some of those hondas and acuras. I've got a buddy with a slightly modified 99 Prelude Type SH and it is one quick car. I know the Prelude and Type-R are different engines but the concept is the same, a quick revving engine in a light car. Our cars run basically the same times even though I've got a 350. If he puts a stock type-r engine in you'll need a little help but if he drops in a turbo you don't have a chance. I'm not trying to defend imports but some of them are very quick.

 

Get a little can of juice from Publix>>>>>>I think they call it NOS or something. Anyway, I *think*/(KNOW) that'll do the trick my friend. Jet it for 75-125 and run his *** all over the street

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Alex (AKA chevyboy) '91 RS 327 stroker, trans-go shift kit>> manual valve body, cat-delete, MSD (ignition, coil, 2-step, timing retard/ advance),Flowmaster, complete Edelbrock suspension including shocks, struts and lowering springs. CRAGAR drag wheels. Lowered 2.25" in front and 1.5" in rear....Best E/T 12.84 @109 mph...(got spray?)plus more!!

 

Ok....all of yall think that a Import will take me? Ok, I will go back to plan one...Im gonna drop in a corvette LT1 and then Im gonna Vortech it with a little help from a T56. Ha, now lets see him beat me

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

OH! and add a larger cam so I can run more boost.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

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hes not asking if he can beat it with the v6...hes askin if he can beat it with a v8...
WITH A V6--NO YOU CANT BEAT IT
WITH A V8--YES YOU CAN BEAT IT
A STOCK 350 WILL BEAT IT. if you can drive.
he will hand you your as s if you race it with the v6 though. yes some ricers are fast but most are not.
and it is based on weight.
i have two friends with crxs with no interior and vtec engines. one has a B16A the other has a Si-R basically a vtec with type R cams....the B16A runs 13 flat. and the Si-R runs mid 12s. they are modded of course...not stock engines.


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Rick
90 Camaro RS 305 TBI
400 small block, Hooker 1 3/4 super comp long tubes, Random Tech Cat, Hooker aero chamber cat back on the way!!
TH700-R4 with Trans-Go shift kit
MacEwen Motorsports White Gauge Overlays
K&N Filter Charger (wooohooo)
GTS Headlight and Taillight covers
5% Limo Tint all around
Classic White Chevy Bowtie sticker on rear window
www.geocities.com/esvalenz

Man if my camaro were a rice-rocket all those mods would give me what...easily 50-60 hp!!!

 

Damn, guess Im gonna have to get a LT1 and give Vortech a call....

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

Just to put some facts down... Auto World weekly did a feature on the type R in Oct. 2000. Here is what they said.
Engine/Drivetrain:
16-Valve DOHC, 1.8L I-4
HorsePower: 195 @8000RPM
5 Speed Manual trans
Stats:
wheelbase 101.2
Curb weight 2,639 lb
Fuel econ:
26 city/ 27 hiwy (that isnt much better than the current Z)
Price as tested:
$24,920
I am sorry they didn't give 1/4 mile times, but maybe this quote will help... "Is the Type R fast? To a stopwatch, not particularly."

 

Another thing you have to take into consideration is that 1/4 mile times aren't that important on the street. You will get in more races on the move then from a stop, so a 5speed with a high revving momo can do more than you might think. It all depends on when you catch em. My Malibu has a three speed automatic and if you catch me at about 85, even with 400+hp, cars can take me because I can't downshift to get the revs up. First gear I can go to 52, second tops out right around 84, so above that I have no where to go. Granted it would take alot more than a vtec to catch me, but it can be done. My buddy's 305 has no problem between 50-75, and can smoke cars that he wouldn't be able to if it happened during a different part of his powerband. Hope this helps. By the way, a supercharger is unnecesary. A 350 with a few mods will kill him. If emmisions aren't a problem go with a 272 crane cam, a performer rpm manifold and a Holley 650 doublepumper. Great package for the street. Get a small stall like a 2400-2800 and you kill the majority of cars on the street nevermind your buddies ricerocket.

 

Where do you get fibreglass doors??



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Godti
'89 Trans Am (Red)
305 TBI 5spd

 

or heres what u can do......set the race up on a street..and have the finish line at the end of a block where a building will sit....at the starting line.rev your **** up really high and **** the ***** off...thenwhen u get the signal..kill your car..have anyone you know thats a cop chill behind the building ON duty...then when ***** boy is doing 120mph (if it can get that high)...HES BUSTED !!!! LMAO...

 

I fyou haven't seen a new Type-R Integra run a 14.6 yet then you haven't been at a track with one. I know what they run because I have seen it FIRST HAND. I didn't say they couldn't eb beat, I just said that you have to give them credit. A four cylinder that can run with an engine twice its size is pretty quick. It doesn't matter if its in a light car because every serious racer does things to reduce weight. I also don't see why you would want to do all this to your car just so you can beat this person. Do it to race somebody your own size.

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1984 Camaro Z28

Crate 350
Edelbrock Intake
Edelbrock TES Headers
Hooker 3" Catback
ASP Underdrive Pullies
Corvette Shift Servo

JBL 150watt Amp
JL Audio 12" sub

 

I will give them credit when they can handle a SCed 2000 Z28. Ok, the Type-R has that weird **** to it and its basically a SCer. So why dont you even it out with giving that V8 that the Type-R can hang with the same juice (a SCer). Then lets see the Type-R keep up. And "A four cylinder that can run with an engine twice its size is pretty quick." yea.....they wish. Why dont they run with a Z06? Or how bout that 10 sec 69 Camaro. Its impossible, if you even it out with giving this car the same as the other there is no way that a 4 cylinder can handle a 8 cylinder. And if you say it can........lol nevermind

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

The type-r integra doesn't have a SC for one thing and for two its not a $40,000 Z06. There are four cylinders that run 10s. I saw one just last week. It a Civic Si. You people need to open your eyes. I drive the same car that all of you do but I also realize that there are other cars int he world. Racing is racing. It doesn't matter what you use. Some people prefer imports some people prefer domestic. Just because its an import it doesn't mean that it is slow.

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1984 Camaro Z28

Crate 350
Edelbrock Intake
Edelbrock TES Headers
Hooker 3" Catback
ASP Underdrive Pullies
Corvette Shift Servo

JBL 150watt Amp
JL Audio 12" sub

 

Ok but it is like a SCer. I never said it had a SCer. And no its not a Z06, but its not a Z28 either and you say it can beat a Z28...So why not a Vette? Looks to me like Mr. Type-R doesnt have quite enough *****. But you can easily beat a Type-R with a V8. SIMPLE! But I was wondering what number would beat it. I know a V8 will. And Im sure you could get a SCed 3.4L to hang with it.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

 

My friend has a 2000 Yellow Type -R and this year at the track it ran a 15.1

 

I know rotory mazda's that run low tens all day. I have a friend that works for turbo magazine and designs custom turbo setup's for ricers. His cars will flat out blow away most V8's on the road and on the track

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No replacement for displacment! Face it, the more air and fuel in the engine will produce the most hp. Don't give me this turbo crap. Have you noticed that detroit iron hangs with turbo and SCed imports? Now let's just take a stock l98 and twin turbo charge it. Wanna race? Let's not all forget that ricers might be more advanced but have you noticed that the gas milage is going down. I would like to point out the cobra vs. ss camaro. The cobra made 320 hp and so did the camaro. The cobra did it with only a 4.6 compared to a 5.7! You might think that's impressive, now what would you think if I told you they get the same exact gas milage? Swap in a larger cam and that SS can move a lot quicker than that rustang. Same thing goes for the imports, obviously if they're getting crappy mpg it's probably because they're either spinning up the engine way to frequently or they're having to pump some serious fuel into the combustion chambers. I like rice....with steak and potatoes. Yes they're quick for 4 bangers but they weight as much as my lawn mower. See, this is the United States, we don't really have a population problem....yet, we don't need super small compact cars...yet. Being 6'4" I don't think I can even fit in those cars. It's hard enough fitting into an Eclipse (still hit my head). How about getting a stock SHO, race a r.rocket. The 220hp yamaha engine is quick, still haven't seen a stock break into the 14's, but still, it's quick. Just like the r.rockets are quick. To answer your question I would get a 350 and have about 260hp and 330 ft.lbs to ensure a defeat. If you have emmisions testing just get the 285hp 350 from sdpc2000 they have that engine for a good price. Later on you could SC it, give it some NOS, or even turbo charge it. Has anybody read about that 500hp at the wheel and 600 ft. lbs 91 z28 w/a 383 SCed 8 boast and only a 50hp shot. Tell me that isn't sick. Look out Saleen, here comes the second super american exotic sports car.

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, Jon (91 RS too many mods to list)

[This message has been edited by JPrevost (edited November 30, 2000).]

 

The type R acura cannot turn in 14.6s bone stock. I have several tests on these cars new and old and have never seen them break even 14s.

The type R is a low 15 second car, considering the driver knows how to drive correctly.
I'm not sure what a camaro 3.1 V6 would run in the 1/4, but I know it is in the 16s or 17s. And believe it or not, the Vtech engine responds well to mods. He's got a Honda Vtech or Acura? You didnt specify. Is this a type R?

To Jpfrost, I'm not a ***** fan...but that quote "there is no replacement for displacement" doesnt always apply.
Take a 1993 Toyota Supra LE vs a 1993 Firehawk. A 3.0 liter vs a 5.7 liter.
The 93 supra ran the 1/4mile in 13.1. The 93 hawk did 13.5. The 3.0l has 320hp and the firehawk has 315. See the difference?
Furthermore, there is a guy by the name of Craig Paisley that runs at Englishtown. He has a 96 supra twin turbo. Stock body panels, stock motor (only bolt ons ex: huge turbo intercooler). He runs 8.772@151.77. Here's the best part, his car is registered and insured Fully street legal.
Here's the link http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=r&n=2&i=O MquZSH&m=12&u=mkiv.com/readersrides/of_interest/paisley_supra/index.html

I have yet to see any other car accomplish this in the same way he has.

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'92 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE package
Mods: SLP headers,SLP catback,SLP air foil,ported plenum,Crane AFPR (47psi),MSD6AL,AC delco cold plugs, Bosch O2sensor, homemade cold air,K&Ns,3:73s,JET fan switch, Macewen white face gauges...Comp cam (i still have to install it )

[This message has been edited by theformula (edited December 01, 2000).]

 

One thing that I consider when talking about the "size" of an engine is the actual size of the engine package, not the displacement. For example, have you ever seen a porsche 944 turbo engine? They are only 2.5 liters or something, but they are easily as big as a SBC. I read in an engineering magazine that the LS1 produces the most power of any production engine when compared to the actual size of the engine. The rice rocket motorcycles produce a nice compact engine/trans combo, much better than their cars IMHO. I have an A-mod autocross car....175hp ZX11 in a 790lb car.

 

I dunno about you guys, But I consider an Intercooled Twin Turbo To be one Hell of a "bolt On"

Bolt that onto a Stock LT1 and I bet you could See 8's Too



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85 Z28 - Daily Driver
60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )

 

See I told you guys. It all comes down to you cant beat 4 more cylinders and cubic inches. Its impossible. If you even out the game. Give this car a SCer and this car a SCer the V8 will ALWAYS win. Because the V8 will respond to the SCer better. Why do you think it takes so much money for a ***** to get up to the same HP as us. Lets say you have an IROC with 245 HP if you put on a catback you got 15 Hp maybe, Cam = around 30 HP. Do the same to a 4 cylinder and watch the results. It will get maybe half that. And I didnt make this up because I help mod my friends integ and I get alot better responses from mine.

 

Hey, dont you guys know? All those stickers and the fart exhaust tip and the k&n ann 100 hp!! lol... If you want to se how fast ricers actually are, go watch them race here
http://www.streetracing.org Go to the vids section and watch the tire-hopping nitrous burning retarded sounding rice rockets go. ps, the moveies may take a while to d/l since the races generally take about 5 minutes each... lol a four banger is half an engine..., hey thats a good quote

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1983 Pontiac Firebird SE
LG4-Based Chevy 400
700R4 Tansmission
Modified 4 Barrel Q-Jet Carb
Accel Super Stock 8mm Wires
Edelbrock Pro-Flo Air Cleaner
3.23 Posi Rear
14X7" Cragar SS/T Wheels
35X4 CD/AM/FM Head Unit
100WX2 Amp
2 Pioneer 12" Subs in Custom Box
Third Gen Performance

 

ok. The supras engine was completely stock. Stock pistons, stock intake manifold, stock heads, stock cam, stock crank. Everything was stock. All he had were bolt ons.

Throw the same on an LT1 that runs low 14s high 13s stock(rarely). Do you think it will take 5 tenths of a second off? Of course not. Probably 2 tenths at the best until the heads and intake become a restriction. If you followed that link I posted you will see the Supra was street legal and still is. Has 50,000 miles, and the heads have never been off the engine.

So there are different ways on viewing the quote "no replacement for displacement". You cant just say it. It depends on the cars your comparing, what you plan on doing to the cars, . As far as I'm concerned that quote just shows the ignorance of the person who spoke it. Especially today in a world with Japanese supercars.

Heres something else to consider. Take a C5 vs 300zxtt. Spend $2200 on the C5 and then spend $2200 on the 300zx. $2200 on the C5 will get you a catback, intake mods, and some underdrive pullies. $2200 on the 300zx is stage 4 (intake, boost@15lbs,catback).
I drove a stage 4 300zx this weekend. It runs 12.4 in the 1/4 and goes to 60mph in 4.5.

The vette is a low 13s car. I know exhaust and a few intake mods will not propel it too the 12s, let alone the mid 12s.

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'92 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE package
Mods: SLP headers,SLP catback,SLP air foil,ported plenum,Crane AFPR (47psi),MSD6AL,AC delco cold plugs, Bosch O2sensor, homemade cold air,K&Ns,3:73s,JET fan switch, Macewen white face gauges

 

There IS no replacement for displacement - think about it, Turbos and Superchargers force more air into the engine, essentially increasing displacement. And nitrous achieves the same effect by allowing more fuel/air to be burnt in the same amount of space. As for all the jap hot rods, supra, 300zx, 3000gt they are all twin turbo, which has the same effect as putting a bigger engine. I choose American because parts are cheaper.

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1983 Pontiac Firebird SE
LG4-Based Chevy 400
700R4 Tansmission
Modified 4 Barrel Q-Jet Carb
Accel Super Stock 8mm Wires
Edelbrock Pro-Flo Air Cleaner
3.23 Posi Rear
14X7" Cragar SS/T Wheels
35X4 CD/AM/FM Head Unit
100WX2 Amp
2 Pioneer 12" Subs in Custom Box
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is only half an engine"

 

Do you understand what a supercharger is? You keep making reference to a VTEC engine being "like a supercharger." Also, there was no VTEC in 1990 on his Integra.

VTEC is simply a dual intake lobe per cylinder cam. When you reach a certain RPM, the second cam lobe (with more duration) is engaged to allow the engine to make more power. Sounds good, but compare it to Toyota's new VVTL-i engine and its suddenly not so good anymore.

Variable valve timing isn't anything new. Infiniti had it on their 4 cam / 32 valve 4.5 liter V8's back in 91. Yes, a stock aluminum block V8 that revs to 7K and makes 278 HP, not bad for a luxury car.

Good luck in the race though, 3.1's are nothing but glorified 2.8's!

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-Jason M. 1991 Camaro Z28
"Shampoo is better, I go on first and clean the hair."

 

Ward hit the Nail there
All SuperChargeing/Turbochargeing/ NoS Does is Increase Your Displacement.

And Yeah, that Supra was Impressive, But When you start To get into that Intense Of a Motor, then All bets are off.

I think that when Most ppl talk about Rice Vrs Detroit Iron, They Are referring to Cars that are Both Road worthy and Fast, I Dont care what You say that Supra wasnt Road worthy worth ****. I have seen some " street legal " 6 second Bel airs That you couldnt get Down the street with.

Yes, that car was way impressive, But I think Compareing that to The cars Most of us Drive/deal with on a Daily basis is apples to oranges.

I like some Imports, Im putting an Aussi Xflow I6 into My Ranchero, But The truth Is, Two Motors Set up equally, The one that Displaces More Air will make More power, Weather thats By Forced Inudction or NA big Cubes. For Most of us, Forced induction is not a reliable/cost effective/practical Option, whereas Big Cubes Comparativly is.

I personally Respect Anyone Who Respects their car, Weather they know what they are Doing or Not. Its the intrest In motorsports thats Imporant, Its the people who are only Interested In keeping Up with the Fad, and impressiing their friends that I find irratating, And that Holds true For everythign In life.

And Right Now, the Fad is Rice, and they are everywhere.

Show me a ***** who knows his ****, Who understands His Motor, who REspects his Machine and Has a Love for performance, And that is a person Who I have No problem with, weather he Drives a Ligenfilter Vette or a 1.6L Vtech Civic.


Just My .02~

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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Z28 LG4 - Daily Driver
**Mods**
MSD Superconductors
14" Open Element
KYB all around

 

I have no clue what about the ***** car, but how the hell did you get that sound clip in the post?

-=-Mike

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1989 RS.. Newly installed 350,bored out 30 over, Hypereutectic pistons, double roller cam, double roller timing chain, accel wires, blue streak cap and rotor, rapidfire plugs, chevy caprice 350 chip, 200* fan switch.

 

I personally Respect Anyone Who Respects their car, Weather they know what they are Doing or Not. Its the intrest In motorsports thats Imporant, Its the people who are only Interested In keeping Up with the Fad, and impressiing their friends that I find irratating, And that Holds true For everythign In life.

And Right Now, the Fad is Rice, and they are everywhere.

Show me a ***** who knows his ****, Who understands His Motor, who REspects his Machine and Has a Love for performance, And that is a person Who I have No problem with, weather he Drives a Ligenfilter Vette or a 1.6L Vtech Civic.

Thats exactly right. Car people are car people no matter what you drive.

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1984 Camaro Z28

Crate 350
Edelbrock Intake
Edelbrock TES Headers
Hooker 3" Catback
ASP Underdrive Pullies
Corvette Shift Servo

JBL 150watt Amp
JL Audio 12" sub