mikey8494

hello i just got a 1992 firebird v6 when i bought it it started right up after sitting for 2 years and even cranked a few times in the yard but yesterday i was diagnosing the horn not working and replaced some fuses (with proper amperage ones but smaller sizes) now when i turn the keey the chime goes of and stutters depending how much i move the key in the cylinder and when i turn it over it turns over some times maybe once or twice then just whirs as if the starter isn't catching and the security light comes on the key is original but the previous own says its ageing and the key is doing this i have no idea what to do i really love the car its my first one one got it for graduation i dont want to let it go she only has a 158000 miles on her and she sat for 2 years there are a lot of hoses that hang under the hood i have no idea but it caught and ran before i dont know any one thank you

FtrSpeedy

That hurt my head, sounds like bad starter, get the correct fuses too please size and amp. Now the starter, youll need a partner in crime, hit the starter with a hammer (not superman hard), try starting car. If that fails hold key to start and tap starter again while it spins, if car starts then starter is bad.

mikey8494

what if doesnt start could it be the vats security system if yes what do i do

mikey8494

every time it spins the security light comes on and when it does turn over if i hold it will turn over for ever but wont kick in like something is holding the fuel supply and stuff my main feeling is the vats has gone out or something any ideas ive tried disconecting the battery over night etc but it stil ldoes this security thing

vetteoz

iTrader: (13)

Heard of punctuation? This is not FACEBOOK

Your key may well be bad ( get a new one cut ) , the contacts in the Ign may be bad/ dirty so they don't read the key correctly
but if it is cranking over then unlikely to be a VATS problem because VATS takes out the starter and the fuel.
1st thing to check is if the fuel pump is running , do you have fuel pressure at the engine ?

Squirt some gas in the engine and see if it runs.
If it does then you have a fuel problem.
If it doesn't you have a spark problem

mikey8494

i fixed it i found that i had accidentally kicked loose a relay under the dash while starting it once its fixed now i need help on the horn i took the horns out and tested them they work i suspect the relay because the air bag cover is popping open and i push the buttons and they dont beep i took the air bag off to find this weird air bag cable that had a spring on the end and a stiff tube having delt with this i knew it went into the contact hole in the steering wheel i put the bag back on and tried the horn but still no beep beep any opinions none of the inside fuses are blown btw many thanks

vetteoz

iTrader: (13)

Didn't read what I said did you ?
If people can't easily understand what you are rambling on about, they are not going to be bothered to help you.

mikey8494

ok ill put it like this since my post are to complex to understand. my horn does not work help me?

t-top havoc

iTrader: (3)

You say the air bag cover was open?!!?
What happened with it?
I don't think it's a good idea to mess with that stuff with the battery hooked up!
When ever you do electrical please disconnect it. Then wait a about 3 minutes before you mess with electrical to be sure the air bag doesn't " think " it needs to activate.
Not only would you need to change undies but it would hurt if it hit you or someone that's lending a helpful hand!

Welcome to TGO.

Remember, when you ask for tips // help, don't be dissin ppl who ask for a bit more info!!

mikey8494

the plastic cover is old and got stiff and popped apart is all nothing is loos its just the plastic cover i know about the batter and waiting one of the horn buttons is broke but the other can be pushed in but it doesn't do anything

vetteoz

iTrader: (13)

Not too complex , just TOO HARD TO READ.
Hit the ENTER button occasionally when writing so it is not one long sentence.

Do a for horn fix articles like this

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/elec...orn-fails.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...t-working.html

mikey8494

thanks ill try this soon

mikey8494

ok i went out there this morning to start her and she didnt start again i payed attention this time. the fuel pump didnt come on its coming on some times and other times its not .
could it be a relay? thanks