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Idol Only???
92 Z28 .305 Manual.......... Starts and stays running but not smooth as usual. Surges some and a little high about 900-100RPM. However it will not rev or drive. Touch the throttle, it spits sputter and sometimes backfires. It does not have any codes when I hook up my OTC Genisus. When I turn Key On Engine Off no dummy lights come on, only the SECIRITY light. Tach, oil, coolant guages all work. Will the Vatts allow it to run but not drive? Is this a sign of a bad ECM and or Prom? Also another thing I noticed was my oil temp reads -39 wich is what my CTS reads when it's unplugged. Does a 92 have a OTS? If so, will not reading it put the ECM in "limp" mode? Could limp mode made the dummy lights not do a self test? I know there is a lot to unpack but any help or opinions would be appreciated, Thanks.
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Fuel pressure is perfect 45psi with regulator plugged. Also brand new Walboro 255 pump, regulator, MSD distributor, coil, & wires. TPS, CTS, MAP, all test good. Also used some carb cleaner to check for an intake leak. Did not OHM the injectors, do you happen to know the specs?
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Your problem is fuel DELIVERY.
Not, fuel "pressure"... fuel DELIVERY. The AMOUNT, otherwise known as the VOLUME, of fuel the system can flow (DELIVER), when the engine demands more fuel in order to create power based on the load placed on it (some sort of relatively greater fuel DELIVERY requirement); not, the pressure it's capable of delivering sitting in your driveway under NO load (near-zero to minimal DELIVERY requirement).
You can use pressure as a proxy (stand-in, indicator, substitute) for evaluating DELIVERY, however. Tape your FP gauge to your windshield with duct tape or some similarly high-tech substance and drive around. See if you can correlate what you see on the gauge, with what you feel on your butt dyno. I.e., when the car falls on its face, what is the fuel pressure THEN? (as opposed to sitting in your driveway under no-load conditions) The pressure should STAY at 45 psi or whatever, even if you're accelerating as hard as the car can go, at as high a RPM as the engine can turn, for as long as that set of conditions remains in effect. If it doesn't, … you do the math.
Your parts list is IRRELEVANT. If your fuel system isn't DELIVERING the fuel the motor needs, then, … it's INADEQUATE in some way. First thing you need to do is, identify the problem, in such a way that you can clearly see the difference when you get it fixed.
Not, fuel "pressure"... fuel DELIVERY. The AMOUNT, otherwise known as the VOLUME, of fuel the system can flow (DELIVER), when the engine demands more fuel in order to create power based on the load placed on it (some sort of relatively greater fuel DELIVERY requirement); not, the pressure it's capable of delivering sitting in your driveway under NO load (near-zero to minimal DELIVERY requirement).
You can use pressure as a proxy (stand-in, indicator, substitute) for evaluating DELIVERY, however. Tape your FP gauge to your windshield with duct tape or some similarly high-tech substance and drive around. See if you can correlate what you see on the gauge, with what you feel on your butt dyno. I.e., when the car falls on its face, what is the fuel pressure THEN? (as opposed to sitting in your driveway under no-load conditions) The pressure should STAY at 45 psi or whatever, even if you're accelerating as hard as the car can go, at as high a RPM as the engine can turn, for as long as that set of conditions remains in effect. If it doesn't, … you do the math.
Your parts list is IRRELEVANT. If your fuel system isn't DELIVERING the fuel the motor needs, then, … it's INADEQUATE in some way. First thing you need to do is, identify the problem, in such a way that you can clearly see the difference when you get it fixed.
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Your problem is fuel DELIVERY.
Not, fuel "pressure"... fuel DELIVERY. The AMOUNT, otherwise known as the VOLUME, of fuel the system can flow (DELIVER), when the engine demands more fuel in order to create power based on the load placed on it (some sort of relatively greater fuel DELIVERY requirement); not, the pressure it's capable of delivering sitting in your driveway under NO load (near-zero to minimal DELIVERY requirement).
You can use pressure as a proxy (stand-in, indicator, substitute) for evaluating DELIVERY, however. Tape your FP gauge to your windshield with duct tape or some similarly high-tech substance and drive around. See if you can correlate what you see on the gauge, with what you feel on your butt dyno. I.e., when the car falls on its face, what is the fuel pressure THEN? (as opposed to sitting in your driveway under no-load conditions) The pressure should STAY at 45 psi or whatever, even if you're accelerating as hard as the car can go, at as high a RPM as the engine can turn, for as long as that set of conditions remains in effect. If it doesn't, … you do the math.
Your parts list is IRRELEVANT. If your fuel system isn't DELIVERING the fuel the motor needs, then, … it's INADEQUATE in some way. First thing you need to do is, identify the problem, in such a way that you can clearly see the difference when you get it fixed.
Not, fuel "pressure"... fuel DELIVERY. The AMOUNT, otherwise known as the VOLUME, of fuel the system can flow (DELIVER), when the engine demands more fuel in order to create power based on the load placed on it (some sort of relatively greater fuel DELIVERY requirement); not, the pressure it's capable of delivering sitting in your driveway under NO load (near-zero to minimal DELIVERY requirement).
You can use pressure as a proxy (stand-in, indicator, substitute) for evaluating DELIVERY, however. Tape your FP gauge to your windshield with duct tape or some similarly high-tech substance and drive around. See if you can correlate what you see on the gauge, with what you feel on your butt dyno. I.e., when the car falls on its face, what is the fuel pressure THEN? (as opposed to sitting in your driveway under no-load conditions) The pressure should STAY at 45 psi or whatever, even if you're accelerating as hard as the car can go, at as high a RPM as the engine can turn, for as long as that set of conditions remains in effect. If it doesn't, … you do the math.
Your parts list is IRRELEVANT. If your fuel system isn't DELIVERING the fuel the motor needs, then, … it's INADEQUATE in some way. First thing you need to do is, identify the problem, in such a way that you can clearly see the difference when you get it fixed.
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So apparently I have 2 bad injectors? But would 1 injector on opposing banks cause it to not be able to rev up? I know that it will cause power loss but figured it would still be able to drive. Also checked and none we're shorted to ground. And yes they are the grey ones.
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Just unplugged 5 & 8 and ......... I love you! LOL idol has not changed but it will rev. I have a responsive throttle again. Any ryme to reason why or just something you picked up from experience with these old beasts? Either way, Thank you.
Also I have a zex Nitrous system and I usually just keep the nozzels set to 75 but I can shoot 150 so I'd like to go with a good injector and might as well change them all. Any suggestions?
Also I have a zex Nitrous system and I usually just keep the nozzels set to 75 but I can shoot 150 so I'd like to go with a good injector and might as well change them all. Any suggestions?
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Just unplugged 5 & 8 and ......... I love you! LOL idol has not changed but it will rev. I have a responsive throttle again. Any ryme to reason why or just something you picked up from experience with these old beasts? Either way, Thank you.
Also I have a zex Nitrous system and I usually just keep the nozzels set to 75 but I can shoot 150 so I'd like to go with a good injector and might as well change them all. Any suggestions?
Also I have a zex Nitrous system and I usually just keep the nozzels set to 75 but I can shoot 150 so I'd like to go with a good injector and might as well change them all. Any suggestions?
some have experienced lean running with the Bosch 3s without ecm/prom retuning.
There Delphi’s should be a direct replacement but costs more.
or there is this option which I think is a direct replacement as well.
https://www.southbayfuelinjectors.co...tors-1985-1992
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Went with the 305 Bosh 3 for now to get her running untill I can read up on programing. But southbayfuelinjectors.com was awesome and the people are very knowledgeable. Plus that code worked! Saved me $20. I'll let you know how everything goes after they get here and I put them in. Thanks again.
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The first step for tuning is to change the battery voltage offsets.
That should put the fuel trims back inline .
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...0-voltage.html
That should put the fuel trims back inline .
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...0-voltage.html
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Injectors are in and everything is back together. It drives good but idle is still high and it surges a little, 900-1100ish. That's reading from my Computer not the tach. Also the throttle percent is changing from 0-3% but voltage is right around .54v. While I had it apart I cleaned the throttle body with carb cleaner and a rag. Should I pull the IAC and reset it maybe?
Also I set my base timing since I installed the new distributor as well, and when pulling the car out the garage I realized I never hooked the brake booster back up so I definitely had a vacume leak. That shouldn't affect the base timing correct?
Also I set my base timing since I installed the new distributor as well, and when pulling the car out the garage I realized I never hooked the brake booster back up so I definitely had a vacume leak. That shouldn't affect the base timing correct?
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The vacuum leak and higher idle while setting the base timing shouldn’t be effected. As long as you set the timing correctly with the est disconnected. As far as the high idle check for vacuum leaks first then set the minimum idle speed. After the minimum idle speed is set you can adjust the tps up to .67-.76 vdc.
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Sprayed carb cleaner around the intake and vaccume lines with no sign of an leak. Then I followed the idle speed adjusment procedure and when I plugged the IAC back in and restarted she went right back up to 1200rpm. Also to set the IAC I have put it In diagnostic mode but when I jumped the top two right hand pins, and turned the key on my fan was running constantly is that normal. And no CEL but that could just be the bulb.
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