What would it take so make my stock 3.1 + 700r4 into something that could run with say a stock 5.0 stang...not looking for anything crazy just seeing what it would take to get that...

 

Figure mid 14s to run with one, so whatever it would take for that car to run that number!

 

Really?? Mid 14's? Cause I had a 1997 Grand Prix GTP that outran almost every 5.0 I raced and most had mods like intake/exhaust simple stuff like that.

However the GTP only ran a 16 second quarter mile...

 

It wasn't one of those races where you were passing them on the highway but in your mind you were racing them from a roll.

 

you have to remember it isn't always the car. i would say you would have to do some kind of low boost turbo to keep up with a stock 5.0 Mustang. like 25th said a stock 5.0 will run mid 14's all day with the right driver.

 

2 words for ya buddy MOTOR SWAP!!!!!!!!!

 

Ok then, don't take my word for it!

Set your car up to run 16 second 1/4 mile times, go out and race every 5.0 Mustang.

 

i know what he could do to keep up with a stock 5.0.....flatten the guys tires.

 

Turbo or an engine swap.

 

Get headers, cat-back exhaust, 3.42 / 3.73 gears, cai, delete a/c and smog pump, proper tune...there's more that you can do, costs a lot, but at least you'll have bragging rights since you're winning with a V6...turboing would create the best results but these engines can be quick n/a. The heads are our weak points.

 

first 25 I wasn't saying I didn't believe you I was just shocked is all, second like I said nothing expensive I was just curious if it could be done. Prolly not going to end up doing much in the way of performance anyways...btw just realized I left out an l in the title lol

 

Engine swap, turbo, super charger, or nos.

 

You were shocked that a 5.0 Mustang would be as fast as a 305 TPI 5-speed or an L98 car? I would think common sense would say that the two cars should be very cloe performance wise. Thinking a stock 5.0 is a 16 second car, and aiming to beat them with that thought, is only going to give you a LOT of losses on the street. Believe it or not, me saying that is helping, because if you build to 16 second performance, your going to lose. So just build it to run 13s or 14s and you have a fighting chance.

 

K thanks I mean I didn't have a particular 5.0 I wanted to run I have just always liked the performance of them...honestly really wish I had one but couldn't find an affordable one when I bought my camaro.

What's a ballpark elsimate of a quarter mile time for the 3.1 with a 75 shot? And I guess I might have a couple more hp than stock cause of my cat back system and cat delete.

O and one last thing...the 5.0's that I raced were driven by people my age(teens) and weren't exactly new cars...I mean most of them had over 100,000 miles and weren't as strong as factory.

 

Mine has 149K on it.

Yes a ragged out auto, or poorly driven stick one might be slow, but to be comfortable about running with them, you should be aiming for mid 14s at the least.

What a 3.1 with a 75 shot runs is beyond me. I'm sure someone here would know though.

 

ya well I really doubt I am going to do anything performance to this car because I leave for basic training and AIT on june 11th so when I get back I will have about 30,000 or more in the bank and I am going to tap into that a little and buy either a really really nice condition 5.0 or an 03 04 cobra cause those are nasty from the factory

btw very odd but a buddy of mine had an 89 lx 5.0 a couple years ago and it had a 3-speed auto...what is up with that?? I am guessing someone swapped it in cause I have never seen them with that stock...it was always fun racing him cause my GTP and his 5.0 had about the same low end but then I always ran away from him later cause I had an extra gear

 

 

ok will people stop freaking saying MOTOR SWAP!!!!

I don't have the time, knowledge, or money to do a motor swap so stop suggesting it

 

Honestly though...you'll probably spend more money and time and it'll be more complex to try and get a v6 to run 14's....where a motor swap is pretty simple and you can get into the 14's, if not faster pretty easily. Doing nitrous or a turbo could be bad idea due to stock cast pistons in your car (which are not designed to do that) and also the fact you have a lot of miles on the motor.....your best bet is to do a motor swap out...and there is plenty of people on here that can guide you. You could try intakes, heads, cam, headers and what not to your v6, but you still might not get it into the 14's.

 

Then you have neither of the 3 to mod the car and beat a 5.0.

...and if you ran in the 16's with a GTP it means you can't drive either or the car was in horrible running condition

 

Check out the V6 forum, they have everything there for performance. Just search around. Some guys there have turbo charged 2.8/3.1s that run around 12 seconds. And some really quick n/a cars. I'm with you on the engine swap, sometimes it's worth it to spend a little extra cash to have a more unique car, V8 swap is taking the easy way out. These V6s can be quick, they have potential. Just don't expect it to be cheap, I'll probably be spending around $3000+ for what I have planned, and I'll probably only be around 200 hp at the crank, unless I get a really good deal on a couple parts.

 

MOTOR SWAP....!!!!!!

Just kidding, go with a turbo....

 

...and if you ran in the 16's with a GTP it means you can't drive either or the car was in horrible running condition [/quote]

i wasn't going to be one to say it. but my 02 Impala LS could run 16.1 stock and with the GMPP cat back, K&N FIPK, and good tires it was doing it in 15.6 and that was a 3.8 N/A ???????????

 

ya lol the GTP was quite worn down when I ran it but it was still keeping up with some of the 5.0's around here

on the GTP the motor was at 189,000 miles and the transmission was rebuilt(not real well in my opinion) the boost was down to 7 psi lol that's why I got rid of it...I was in debt and it was going to be a big investment to get it running well again

I leave for basic traiing on june 11th and when I get back from basic and AIT then I might swap out the motor beast it out real well since I will have money in the bank, but as of right now I just have to put up with being slow

 

That will do it then. Those motors still can take a beating though.

 

i loved my Impala that 3.8 was awesome i wish i would have never traded it.

Best of luck in basic. And thank you for having the ***** to join the service.

 

Add 75 shot of N2O, 3.73 gears, good back tires and you may hit the high 14's.

My stock 04 GTP ran consistent mid 14's.

My wife's 06 V6 runs mid to low 14's (CIA, 4.10 posi, custom tune).


You said "I don't have the time, knowledge, or money" but are you mechanical iinclined? The time & money for cars is a struggle for most of us. Knowledge come over time hopefully but if you don't have the skill you better have lots of money.

I have 3 boys at home & each has a project car. Their friends bring their cars to my house as well. My house has turned into a training center (there goes my time) but that how they are getting the knowedge.

 

What he said. Good luck and thank you.

 

Thanks alot guys and ya I don't really have the time or money either yet...till I get back from training

 

Just a warning about joining the military, prepare to get screwed, not that it will happen to you, but it can. It did to me. Good luck, though.

GTPs are nice, but that supercharger kills that motor too fast, especially around 200K miles.

 

Ya I am going ROTC and one nice thing about that is I have a control number that prevents me from shipping between AIT graduation and the start of my college the following year

Also my vocational teacher is a Staff Seagent and he is VERY knowlegeable about the military and their benefits and things so I always go to him for advice

What branch were you in? and how did they screw you?

 

I got kinda screwed over a bit in military too....but it was a good life experience, and am glad I did it...but I wanted to say thanks for joining, we appreciate it greatly....just do right and you'll be fine.

 

I was in the Navy, and I had injured my knee and all they would give me was ibuprofen and a week off from strenious activity. They didn't accept my request for an MRI. Spent almost 5 months on light limited duty and trying to get them to help me. Went into the reserves, and then they told me I had to pay for all the medical myself. I didn't have another job, and all they pay for E-2 in the reserves is $115 a month. It's good that you're doing ROTC, the military bends over backwards for their officers, so you should be fine. Like 91interceptorZ says, it is a good life experience, it's well worth it.

 

I was in navy also.....injured my ankle...didn't give me my medical after discharge...also put me in ordinance for two years when I signed for another job....but did help me to have a better work eithic...and seen cool stuff alot of people don't get to see.....but were getting off topic here....

 

Yeah we are off topic. Well TwitchRs, just work on getting your car running perfectly, and when you get back, start turboing it! You'll have plenty of cash! And you'll be able to beat about...lets say 59% (+/- 5%) of 5.0 mustangs.

 

Ya well one last thing before we go back to topic is that I am a medic fyi

So i am thinking I am just going to get the car running well and sell it and buy a different third gen...or a stang

Cause I would build a v8 and drop in it but it's really not the best cantidate...it really wasn't very well taken care of by the last owner and I have had nothing but problems

I have put alot of money and work into this car just to get it running and I have finally(knock on wood) got it running well and if I drop a v8 in it something else will just start givin me problems...I just need to get rid of it

It really isn't in bad shape now but there are alot of little things(speedometer, turn signal, speaker wiring, etc) that need to be fixed, and it needs paint.

Is actually running pretty well now though

 

Yeah, we've spent a lot of money getting our camaro running (fiance and i). Over $500 I would say, and still more to go, unfortunately. Lots of it was still stock, like 99% of the engine was stock when we bought it, now it's more like 75-80%. Waiting on selling my VW just to get extra cash to put more into. curse this economy...

I would keep your V6, it's an excellent daily driver, and then just buy a V8 for a weekend driver.