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Old Aug 12, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

383 tpi had been running nicely for a while. The lifters got noisy after sitting during the winter. When replacing them, i port matched and cleaned up the lower manifold. After getting it back together, it now pings over 3000 and 1/3 throttle. I replaced the knock sensor and esc. Checked continuity from knock sensor plug to esc and is good. I ordered another chip and made no difference. Base timing is at 6*. 10:1 compression and 92 octane. The old lifters had been stuck at full height. I was thinking a burned valve but theres no unusual running. I swapped to a step colder plug with no change. It does run warm, which it always has. It sounds mostly towards the passenger side.
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Old Aug 12, 2014 | 09:32 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Is there a possibility that the water passage from the front of the pass side head to the intake was partially blocked when the lifters were changed?
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 06:50 AM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

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383 tpi had been running nicely for a while. The lifters got noisy after sitting during the winter. When replacing them, i port matched and cleaned up the lower manifold. After getting it back together, it now pings over 3000 and 1/3 throttle. I replaced the knock sensor and esc. Checked continuity from knock sensor plug to esc and is good. I ordered another chip and made no difference. Base timing is at 6*. 10:1 compression and 92 octane. The old lifters had been stuck at full height. I was thinking a burned valve but theres no unusual running. I swapped to a step colder plug with no change. It does run warm, which it always has. It sounds mostly towards the passenger side.
as a quick test , you could run some 100 octane racing fuel in it .if the ping goes away, you are on the right track. you might also use a can of seafoam to de carbon things a bit.
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 08:07 AM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Im fairly sure the intake is clear. I will try the sea foam because the plugs did have some carbon on them. I want to try higher octane but i cant find any place nearby that sells it. I did verify the timing changed when revved but cant read the decal anymore to see where it is maxing out. Im saving up to switch to a holley avenger but i dont want to swap it and still have the same issue
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 08:28 AM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Whats the timing in the chip??
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 08:44 AM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

A list of ethanol free stations in Pa. some up to 110 octane.
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=PA
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

holley tuning tool= BFH !!
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 04:53 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Ill ask the tuner what my max timing is at. Im going to try sea foaming it and see how it goes
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 04:56 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

The closest place in the gas listing that displays higher than 93 is 100 miles away
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 05:47 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Try setting base to 0 deg and see if it goes away
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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 08:16 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Ill see if that helps. I idles much better with 12* base but i would never run it at that
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 10:32 AM
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i tried sea foaming the engine. needless to say, it is now being rebuilt this winter
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 12:00 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Why?
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 02:55 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

ping got very bad and now has excessive blowby. i lost a half a quart of oil through the dipstick tube on a 20 mile drive. it also blows the pcv out of the valve cover if run hard and smokes out of the breather even with the pcv installed
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 05:02 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

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ping got very bad and now has excessive blowby. i lost a half a quart of oil through the dipstick tube on a 20 mile drive. it also blows the pcv out of the valve cover if run hard and smokes out of the breather even with the pcv installed
time for a rebuild, my friend.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 01:22 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

got it all apart. all ring lands were cracked and the crank had also cracked. ditched the tpi and went with a holley avenger
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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 01:36 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

At least you discovered what the problem was. Good luck on the build.
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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 02:05 PM
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Re: Cannot stop pinging. Need ideas

Tune is everything, mail orders usually don't work
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