Well my buddy changed his mind about the 3.4 and decide he should just go for a 3.8. Now the question is are the Mount s the same? The fuel deliver will this need to be changed ?

 

Mounts are not the same, trans is not the same. Fuel system may be.

Project 85 is in process of doing this.

 

http://www.cardomain.com/id/projeknatedog

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=284252

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sea...der=descending

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sea...der=descending

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=224118


I also have free q & a.

 

... and it works well if I might add.

 

I am sure I ll have plenty once we get the engine and stuff. That when the fun will begin (the hunt is on for the engine let me know if anyones got one forsale). I think our hardest thing is gonna be monting brackets

 

I did up some mock mounts out of wood & had a welding shop do the rest. unforntunately, he made them look just like the wooden ones. Fortunately, they work.

I swapped in some 2000+ tubular manifolds andhad a slight clearance prob (they stick out wider than the 95~99 manifolds) but nothing that a dremel tool & quite a few cutting discs couldn't take care of. You probably will also need to extend the throttle cable a few inches. I got a cruise control assy and modified that, as there is plenty of length to work with.

If you use an auto tranny, you cain use either your origonal shifter linkage, or what comes w/the newer tranny. I asserted my dremel over the new linkage to fit the 85 shifter. About 2 mins worth of cutting & I get to use newer parts.

E-bay has pretty good deals for these, but get all accessories/harness/pcm w/it. It makes it sooo much easire. ALso, get teh haynes/chilton manual to match the yr of engien for harness tracing. You get to make your own under hood circuit board, which I goit the 6 spade fuse from nappy for about $5. Batt got moved to pass side ( same as 4th gen) and I'm seeing about locating a 4th gen evap cannister ( may jsut cap line, or vent w/filter).

As you've seen from some of my pics on the cardomain thing, I actually seem to have more room under the hood due to less vacuum lines needed. Yeah, it's screwy but it is cleaner.

More to follow, i guess.

 

did you have to change the fuel lines or the fuel pump or are they close enough to work ?

 

fuel lines work fine. I just changed out my rusted ones because: the tranny wasn't working right. Will it run lean???? tranny SNAFU'ing and no exhaust on base, + no tags prevents me from answering that......for now.

 

How long did it take to do the switch so i know how early we need to start?

 

what yr 3.8? other than wiring, which all vss cars shouldn't have too much to woory aboutdash wise, there is the bcm sendor (allready have bypass from e-bay), the affor mentioned under hood fuse panel (maybe mentioned in engine swap forum???) . I had a 95 4L60E tranny. that hooked up to my tranny support no prob. I now have a 98 4L60E, and have to modify the support slightly.

http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/wiring.htm this helped out alot w/pcm pin outs


http://forums.daytonfbody.org/viewtopic.php?t=563 another thread I have on the freakin tranny

 

i found a 3800 out of buick regal and it is FWD will it work or should i keep lookin?

 

what year???

 

Search "3.8" on eBay motors under engines. There's a good engine/tranny combo for sale for cheap.

 

try www.car-part.com to look for camaro/firebird 3.8's in your state/providence

 

providence? Are you from Canada?

 

ontario/nova scotia

(youre from vancouver, it says it under our avatars)

 

I know you're from Canada, and I'm from Vancouver, not Surrey. I was picking on you for misspelling province.

 

oops. well its 2:30am here

and here are your options on that side

1997
Engine
Chevy Camaro (3.8L, VIN "K")- 96KM MISC US$1000
CAN$1200.00 A and V Parts Depot Can-AB(NE-Calgary) E-mail 1-877-280-8003 1-403-280-8003
1996
Engine
Chevy Camaro 00031E $Call Lunds Auto and Truck Parts Can-AB(Edmonton) E-mail 1-780-447-4545
1997
Engine
Chevy Camaro 11-96,3.8 CHECK HIT HARD 21497 $Call Ed's Auto Salvage Can-AB(Westlock) E-mail 1-800-661-9033

 

It's Coult_91 who's looking for a 3.8.

 

dammit

no more helping for me

 

ok, now that Abbot & Costello are done , Make sure the 3.8 is from a 96+ yr, as the earlier Series I motors weren't all that powerful. May as well go w/a 3.4. Preferably get an engine/tranny from an f-body, along w/teh harness & pcm (bcm too if available. if not then get the e-bay adaptor thing...gotta get those injectors to fire) it makes things just sooooooo much easier.

fwiw, the Series II blocks are the same, so fwd rwd blocks, heads, cranks, are the same. The accessories should be in the same location, I haven't stared at my GP & the Bird in a while.

 

ok, well i went that website and found some engines close by. it was a 1992 buick so i better just find a newer one. thanks

 

i found one out of a 98 camaro($?mileage?waiting for the guy to email me more about it) and one out of a 97 firebird($575, with 100,000 miles on it) both run. but is that a fair price you think?

 

If teh engine was even minamally maintained, it's a good price, w/accessories, harness, & pcm. Now would also be a good time to swap in a manual tranny & really have some fun.

 

do it

 

well we should have an engine within a week or so... my friend no matter what the mileage he wants to rebuild it....he said he wanted to bore it out... can he? if so how big? what other some performance stuff (cam, heads,) can we get ?

 

zzperformance.com

http://www.zzperformance.com/products1.php?id=230

there is also intense-racing.com, but I'd do some reading up on them first over @ clubgp.com first and then make an informed opinion.

 

the stroker kit might a little steep for our price range...but if i get a hold of a GTP engine i could just take the supercharger from that ? i know i need the mainifold what else?

 

go to www.firebridv6.com , and do a search on the gtp supercharger in the advanced tech forum. You'll find your answers there.

Also, duh , do a search in engine swap here and find just about the same answers.

 

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Can i use the engine mounts from the 4th gen?

 

why? and how?????

 

my friend was tellin me that we could use the ones for a parts car cut off and weld them on would that work or not?

 

it might be easier to just fab up new ones, and better looking ones than mine.

Look at THESE
brackets that were made.

 

what kind of place could i get them made at ?

 

welding shop. I brought them my wooden mock ups & they made metal ones just like them. If you cain, do the same, but also include some drawing plans w/dimensions so you cain say " they should look like this, with these dimensions"

I had to dremel mine a little bit, but they fit.

 

well good thing my Dad is a welder/ wireman at the steel mill. he has fab a few things before so if it isnt a really complicated thing i could probably get him to do it. Thanks My friend is also is thinking about getting that stroker kit. That would be pretty sweet.

 

Well we found a 96 convertible camaro 3.8 that was wrecked and it is a 5speed, but dont think my friend wants it so he probably be selling if any interest let me know.....BUT PROJECT 3800 BEGINS!! HAHA YEAH!

 

lemme know if there any parts you're not gonna use, electricalwise,jsut incase. I gotta do some wire tracing again........injectors not injecting, but priming them w/the sunpro testor will let the car run when cranking. an acm BCM could help w/this, but using a "little black box" right now.

 

BCM ? for what ?

 

bcm is kinda like the vats thing, only it sends a signal to the pcm that it's "OK" to let the injectors work.

theft detterant by not delivering any fuel through the injectors.

 

Right, but i know LT1 4th gens still have a VATS box, i used to think all 4th gens used the bcm also for some reason, maybe your trying to get a signal from something that isnt there ? not to mention why not just buy a vats bypass module ?

 

The project is cancelled because my buddies dad went nuts, it was all good when dad 1st saw the car and then we ask my friends uncle if we could use the trail, and all the old school hot rods that were there told him it was stupid and that it couldnt be done basically, when we got the trail to get the car and he started to rant and rave that the project could never be done and that a 3.8 isnt worth it....total b.s...........basically if we got we wouldnt be able to keep the car around to take time... because his dad didnt like the idea anymore!! it sucks!! He was convinced we would not be able to get any hp of the motor. DAMN!

 

any thought of abs?

 

car never had vats to begin with, and I used one of those baker electronics boxes(theft detterent enable) to have it running before I deployed.
Now, 1yr after I had everything good to go, it doesn't want to start. I gonna get an aldl connector hooked up & see if I cain pullany codes.

Hey Coult_91, if your dad's buddies were real hot rodders, theyd be all for making the car go faster , but that's just

I also know of a few 3.8 4th gens running low 12's, not to mentiopn Zoomers doing 10's.

 

we all know that the 3.8 could have made the power we were after, unfortunatly my dad likes to waffle on things quite a bit. he claims one of his buddys will give me a 350, so if he wants even more problems swaping the motor i am willing to try. that 3.8 would have been so much easier.......

 

http://www.cardomain.com/id/84camw96mo


yup, show your dad that he couldn't get it to work either

 

i knew it could be done......my old man has alot to learn.

 

dont be to hard on him! he is either to the idea of a 250 hp v6 i have seen very very fast T/A with V6... The 89 turbo...just as fast as LS1!

 

i wish i had an 89 turbo, i could have tore rigdon a new one for trying to run me into that jeep.