Any of you guys made a 60* engine run faster than mid 16's in the 1/4 or are you all just dreaming? No offense but I see a lot of talk on this board, but nothing to show for the talk. If you guys actually know how to make them fast then why don't you do it?


Sincerely,
Just another ******* with a slow 3.1

 

Well let me see.. half of us have spent around 2000 in mods, i know i have.. but i dont care if i dont run a fast 1/4, the fact is i have had fun doing it. If u dont like ur 3.1 do all of us v6 thirdgens a favor AND GET RID OF IT CUZ WE DONT WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WITH THEM. its that attitude that makes ppl like you the exact reason why we have our own board and why we dont want this **** on here. Get off.

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1989 Firebird
2.8 v6, t5 swapped in

Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil, Accel 8.8 wires, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock, Fuel Pressure, and 5" Sport Comp Tach)TB Bypass, 4th Gen Seats

Coming for my v6:
Panhard Bar, 4thgen front seats, Nitrous, Line Lock, Posi, Spohn Torque Arm & Subframe connnectors

"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
#3 Forever

 

There are some guys in here running in the 15's, and there's one guy that had his in the 13's (maybe low 14's, can't remember). Give me enough cash and it's possible to get a fast V6, I just don't want to put too much cash into it.

 

Who said I don't enjoy the car? What I'm saying is that I'm tired of coming onto this board and seeing a bunch of posts about how doing this or that will make these cars haul *** , and I've seen evidence of fast 60* cars everywhere EXCEPT this board. I dont get it. Are the mods you guys are doing not working? Is it a lack of funds? Honestly I'd like to mod my 3.1 just a little, but I don't see much here to go on. Nothing proven anyway. If there's a proven way to make the 3.1 perform and survive the punishment it'll receive int he process, I'd like to know. But all I see is a bunch of people talking and none doing. Show me the serious 60* V6's.

 

Then why can our 6 beat 305's hmmm my firned has a 6 and ive seen him spank a z28 ive done this too but its the people with sticks up there asses and say it cant be done just like when i was doin 153 i knwo i did and if any one wants me to prve it get a radargun and a streach of road that never ends. why dont u pick on the 4 banger rice boys they try to make there cars fast too. Every time i do a mod i feel good knoing i just made my car that much faster who cares if i cant run 10's i dont id probly get my self killed. Oh ya and also notice its only certin people on this baord who have v's id say around 20 or more and every thing costs money. Hell if i wanted to mak emy car do 8's im sure i could but it has a price tag

 

I like how this guy has been on here for so long and now he comes out and sayes he hates the board and we are all smoking crack.
Dude its the Price. Most of the poeple on here bought their V6s so they could have a nice, some what fast, sporty american car that performs well for what it is and save some money in the process. We all know the V6s et better gas miliage and are lower on insurance.
Modding is for fun, not for the speed of achieving a number. If thats all it was for everyone would be swapping 502s in their car. Its a process of learning and working with in your limits.

All I have to say is bring your *** on down to Southern Ohio and My V6 will Kick you A$$. Though it is a 90* V6, but what ever.

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

 

Sub to mid 16 second runs are not a dream or hard to do. What I have seen with most 2.8's is as follows you either run 16-1-16.5 or your running 17.9-18.2ish (brb)

 

yeh i agree ive spent 2,200 just on my engine
and all kinds of other goodies that some of you would just dream about! i bought these hooker super competition headers for my 2.8 o.30 over, from mike harvey for 385.00 and then i sent them to jet hot to have them coated 200.00 more, and im still having fun building this thing up im hoping for low 15s to high 14s along with a jacobs electronics energy pak and ultra coil, custom chip,but i think i might burn my own e proms any way you can make just about any car fast if you have money.

 

Just my 2cents anyway but my perspective regarding most of the V6 owners here, seem to be that they are very cost concious and frugal when deciding on adding bolt on parts and performance options. When you have an option as a Camaro owner to take out the V6 and shove in a V8, in a $$ and cents point of view, that seems to be the popular choice here. I don't agree with this but this is reality for a Camaro owner. I have been working on cars for quite a number of years as an enthusiast so for me, cost is not object. I'm determined to stay with the 60deg and make some decent horsepower. It's only a matter of time.....and $$$

 

bub, Mike and I got those headers at that time.. Cost for me was 190 with shipping... Boy once you have them the value goes up big time... I am not jetcoating them at this time.. I am using VHT engine paint and saving the 200 to go towards NOS... I think my mods have been if it breaks put the fastest best part you can in. Example my timming chain it will now be double roller.

 

Does anyone have a timeslip? anyone at all? Until then all this is just more talk. I've been here forever because I've been driving thirdgens forever. I've driven just about every engine/tranny combo GM offered. I like the cars, and I used to like thirdgen.org. The thirdgen.org that used to be knowledgeable people sharing accurate info. What I'm saying is that you guys talk about making the cars faster, but where's any evidence that they are faster?
From what I'm seeing so far I've hit the mark pretty close. A lot of people getting pissed cause they know its true. If you guys don't care if the cars are any faster after you dump several grand in mods, then why do you care what I say?

As for Kyle F, a TTA won't win any wars. "All I have to say is bring your *** on down to Southern Ohio and My V6 will Kick you A$$. Though it is a 90* V6, but what ever." Thats pretty big of you considering you have no idea what I have into any of my cars.

Drew
1983 Camaro 5.0 R.I.P.
1987 Iroc 5.7L
1991 Firebird 3.1L V6
1991 Camaro RS Convertible 5.0L TBI
1991 Formula 5.7L

 

Well my V6 will beat your V6

Let's keep appples to apples here Kyle

Drew, sell your damn V6 and put some cash into that formy. I wanna see that thing running 12s

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-Bill

-=1987 Buick Grand National=-
Almost Jacked Up Like a Mother

*CC 218/218 cam, ported and polished heads (1.77, 1.50), Accufab AFPR, custom 3" DP by Custom Tubes, dual 2.5" exhaust, Bilsteins, Walbro 307 hotwired, Big Mouth cold air intake, 009s (42.5# injectors), custom PROM and 20psi of fury*
SOON to have alcohol injection

Wanna try me?

-=ICON Motorsports=-

Modertor TPI board

 

Drew, I see what you are saying about us all being all talk and no action. My car runs 16.0's with bad traction because of the 3.73 open rear, in other words my 60 foot time isnt real good. Otherwise my car should be running a 15.8 or so with a set of slicks or drag radials. I;m at the point now where I have been saving my money up over the summer for a 4th gen Z28. I;m also stuck no wanting to spend the money that I have earned, so that could mean me keeping this 3.1. I really dont want to spend anymore money on it, but if I do decide to keep it I would no doubt dump a copuple hundred more in to ru 15.7-8.

 

See thats my dillemma. I've got a 3.1 firebird and a 5.7 firebird. I would like the 3.1 car to go as good as the formula but if its goign to cost me a ****load of cash I'll just drive the car till I find a 5.7 for it and in the mean time I'll push the formula to the edge.

Thanks for posting a timeslip, not bad at all.

 

Drew, as far as you coming on the board being a wise A$$ there isnt a reason for all that non sense at all. I;ve dumped this much into my car over the past 2.5 years:

catback/dynomax muffler: $200
shiftkit $25
gears/instalation kit/labor $600 (ouch!)
cold air intake(homemade) $50
acell wires $30
crane cam $175
stiffer valve springs/valve job/.020 off $180
pacesetter 3.4 heads/custom Y pipe $300


so you can figure about 1500 in mods are currently on my car. And dont forget I didnt buy this car, when I was 18 my parents bought it for me, so everything mod I do to this car is basically all the money I have put into it. Think of it this way: for 1500 bucks I have a car that runs a 16 flat, and would do a high 15 with good traction, and the car is very clean and sharp looking. Now that sounds like a hell of a deal to me.

now the reason I; not dumping more money into it as of now is because I was planning on getting an LT! Z28, but now that I have the money saved I;m kind of stingy about buying another car simply because it hauls a$$. I might as well dump 500 more into my car heads/slicks and go mid 15's. I;m not sure what I;m going to do though, so I;m not spending money for awhile..........do you get the pictured now?

And BTW talk to red91bird, he had his 3.1 doing high 13's.

 

Which cam did you use?

 

Drew, I can only say that V8 owners have an abundance of aftermarket parts to chose from compared to the 60deg, including SC/Turbo kits and such. Call it lack of interest or whatever by the v6'ers but, the fact is if we want to find a part for a certain application that we're trying to make, it's either fabricate something out of some other part, or have one special ordered. And that that cost $$$. Case in point: try finding an aftermarket EFI Intake for the 2.8/3.1/3.4. You won't find it! Even GM doesn't sell one! This is just one example that makes it difficult for us v6'ers to put up or shut up.
Incidently, I have other cars also that I get my kicks on. This is still no reason to jump on v6 owners cases. What does it prove? You have more toys than us?
Instead of you crying about us being just hot air ballons, be more usefull and tell/suggest how we can go about making horsepower without breaking the bank.

 

Monday I will go into work, scan one of my time slips and show you 16.01 for very few mods and a 180K.

1. If you have the 8 why are you worried about modding the 6 when you can put the cash into the 8 and be faster?

2. If you want to keep the 6 why not just keep it running solid and get a dynomax cat back and high flow converter and K&N's and keep the rest of it stock? It would then run better, faster and more efficient for under 500 bucks.

3. Why then even come to this board and flame? Why don't I bash you cause all you have is some decrepit thirdgen formula when for all you know my other ride is a LS1 which would toast ya stock.

 

Actually if you look back, I didn't come in here to flame. I came in here to find out what the deal is. Sure I've got other cars that make more sense to mod, but the fact is that right now I'm having fun with the V6. I'm not talking about V8's right now I'm talking about 6's. I'd appreciate it if people stuck to the issue and not change the subject or throw flames up here. I'm not flaming anyone, if I were I'd direct them by name.

To answer your questions,

1. Why mod my car that runs 14.3 bone stock, when I've got a high 16 second (at best) 3.1 firebird that has nothing going for it?

2. Cause it already has no cat, a K&N, an aftermarket exhaust, WS6 sway bars, and a modified airbox.

3. Who's flaming? I wasn't trying to **** anyone off, just trying to see some numbers rather than the normal nonsense... How do we know what mods work and what mods dont work if no one guages their improvements with a baseline and a reliable guideline such as a dragstrip, or a dyno? I didn't start bringing other cars into this until other people in the thread did.

I want to see numbers.

 

I used to street race. Always won & I DID pick my competition well.
I used a 1968 Firebird 400/TH400 (maybe one of 12 RAII cars).
Sold that.
I can't wait for my tranny to get to work and go down to Carlsbad drag strip & race & see what my newer Firebird will do.
I don't street race anymore.
Drag Strips in the LA area are GONE.
I hope to back up what a stock swapped 3.4 into a lighter 1985 Chassis can do.
JUST TO PROVE GOING & SWAPPING IN A RUNNING BONE STOCK 3.4 FOR $800 is the BEST VALUE FOR PERFORMANCE GOING!
Besides, I'd like to see how lousy I can race at a strip.
I've never raced at a strip, yet.
Used to have too much fun on the street.
But, that was then & this is now.
No flames, I'm only stating my truth.
All I plan on doing is removing so much stuff/weight (I already have), adding my ram air set up and a Corvette rimmed drag tire (I do not have posi yet).
I can't wait to find upot how well I may OR MAY NOT do at the light!
I wonder how good my Reaction Time may be?
Carlsbad is sea level in the San Diego area. I live further away, outside of LA
ALl other drag strips in LA area are HIGH GROUND & IN THE HIGHER HEAT TEMPS (Pomona & Palmdale). Not good for better runs.
I can only say that my 3.4 swap set up is a
FREIGHT TRAIN of POWERFUL PULLING FUN on the streets of LA (when ya DON'T HIT TRAFFIC-what minute may that be?).

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

 

Yes, yes we are. And we're damn proud of it.

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1985 Camaro SC - 2.8L, auto.

http://www.xenodrgn.f2s.com/Frontright.jpg

 

I have one question, what kind of moderator gets on the V6 Board and starts all this sh*t?

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 80 Series, More to come......
New Pioneer Head Unit
Targa E-910 7-Band Equalizer w/ crossover
2x 10" Pioneer subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
2- 6x9" Pioneer (rear)
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

 

13.8 was the best on a Gtech on 90hp NOS... but lets not get technical... Can tell ya how to do it, can tell ya what it will cost ya. Do not knock a V6, to do so is to knock all the 4 bangers that would eat your iroc's butt in a 1/4 run. BTW.... my time was done on a modded out 3.1L in a 91 bird.... just like yours...

 

Give me a few years so I can finish up College then We will see. I hope to get as fast as some of you guys with th GNs over on Turbobuick.com
But for now I think 13.5( Factory rating, haven't went to the track yet) is good enough until I lean how to drive a Turbo motor. Its a little differnt than the 355 TPI I used to have in my 86, which ran a 13.9 BTW.

So I wonder if you ask Why All the V6ers are smoking crack and then you say you werent doing this to flame? What ever man you were trying to get an uproar from the crowd anyway you could. I hav ebeen around this V6 board for a long time and Some of these cars are running respectably. Mostly alot of these cars are daily drivers that people have fun getting just a little more out of, MOst are not building them for the Race track, and if they were I am sure most of them would be looking to an engine swap to atleast a 3.4. I guess Self pride is something you would never understand.


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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

 

The subject line is to get attention, nothing more. If you want to take it as a flame go ahead. All I ever see on this board is mod this, mod that, swap the engine to this or that, whatever... nothing about actual times or dyno results. I wanna know what works to make these cars perform and nothing I've ever seen on this board showed proof of any improvement.

 

Drew, if you want results, give us the cash, u know that we're a lil strapped for cash. Dyno, give me cash for that too.

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 80 Series, More to come......
New Pioneer Head Unit
Targa E-910 7-Band Equalizer w/ crossover
2x 10" Pioneer subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
2- 6x9" Pioneer (rear)
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

 

Who wants to buy Crack i can get some good deals and these girls asses are nice

 

I beleive that the title to this post was meant to draw attention to the actual post, and I feel that the post has a legitmate question. Basically all he wants to know is whenever you do a certain mod what kind of power increase if any do you get, Basically which gives you more "Bang For The Buck"
But since this post is getting more responses to the title than the post I am going to close this thread but if someone would like to start another one containing information on mods & power increases with proof of the increase in performance please do so.


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Dale Earnhardt was a scholar of the race track that drove with the spirit of a warrior.

My Camaro: http://home.earthlink.net/~singleton052095