(stock 5 speed)
do you think a normal 90k mile 3.1 camaro could/should be able to chirp(long squeal) both right&left tires in 2nd?
u think that a 3.1 could do a powerslide on hot blacktop?

just wondering

-Rick

 

If it had some better gears in it maybe it could chrip and leave marks with ONE TIRE .It could not leave marks from both tires b/c you have to have ALOT of power to do that with posi ...Wayne

 

so i i told you that today from a stop sign i accelerated fast and i feathered the throttle in 1st so car would move foreward. both tires left marks and were chirping, i quickly shift to 2nd begin accelerating tires chirp and leave 2 foot long marks... both tires...

this ins the only v6 camaro i have driven... does anyone elses do that?

i dont think my gearing is low cuz i can do 70 in 3rd gear

 

ps tires are P225/60R15 is it normal for the v6 to b able to do that?

 

I dono why u wana trash your tires it adds up in money. But when i used to burn out my frieds made a bet wihtme i couldnt burn out with 4 people in my car not only did i burn out i got both tires spinning.

 

how can you leave two marks? I don't have a locking rear differential, and you shouldn't either. and if you did, you really don't have enough motor to leave anything. two foot marks are a bit long to leave even from a standstill in a 2.8/3.1 but hey with wierd conditions, anything can happen. hey with the right conditions I can do a donut. on a dry day, my kumhos just flat out grip too much.

 

more like over 1 foot marks... i wasnt doing burnouts... i dont like to do this often...both tires chirped 2nd gear

 

yes a 90k should be able to do it. My 110K does. Hell with my old tires I could burn 1st, burn 2nd and chirp 3rd. It all depends on the shift points. Did I do this religously no. Did I do it every once in a while yes. I liked that it could do it. It even won me some races as I chirped 3rd cause the guy backed off, cause he thought I had more under the hood. I think I probly burned off a good 2/32's off my old tires spining them. Did I tear 'em up? Yeah. But the more important thing is I had FUN doing it.

But I could only find 1 mark unless I was on loose ground. Gravel, Dirt ect. Mine has left sopme serious plows in the back road behind my house.

[This message has been edited by Camaro_hunter_d (edited November 11, 2001).]

 

These cars are pretty light in the rear. On a nice cold day it shouldn't be a problem. As far as have both spin and leave marks I've had this happen to. i think it goes back to the the rear of the car being linght. While the peg leg spins it is proboly draging the other with it. So one would spin while the other drag causing 2 marks.

 

my little 2.8L auto that runs an 18 flat will chirp both the left and the right (on occasion) when i hit second gear. And have let out a rat her long screech from the right alone.

 

I did have a friend in a 2000 S-10 with a 2.2 4 CYL 5 SPD and saw him make posi trac marks one time .DONT KNOW HOW , but he did it .and its a BONE STOCK 4CYL ...guess we have some unusual conditions sometimes lol ...Wayne ....he could also chirp the tires in second

 

what do your cars come stock with. mine has 4.10 in the rear and I shift into 4th at around 90 mph
hit 5th at 125

had a friend though with his 2.8 and he would rev it up then let her rip and leave two tire marks.
my car has an open diff but if I dump it real quick to make a short tire mark I get two. now if I put a lot of power into it then I just spin my peg leg and start doing donuts on dry ground

 

Hell on a good dry road power run I wont hit 3rd until 55, 4th at 85 and 5th lets just say I am starting at the speed limiter. and have to coast into 5th and let it catch up.

 

I can peal out pretty decent in 1st, usually thru the intersection sometimes a little more, squack good into 2nd, and chirp into 3rd. This is with a limited slip rear end which is stock. My engine only has about 3000 kilometers on it tho
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1986 Firebird
2.8L V-6, T-5 Transmission
GM performance cam, roller rockers, no cat, 2.5" exhaust from y-pipe back, Dynomax muffler. Coming soon: MSD Ignition.

 

I'll have to re-post this after I get camaro_d_hunter's headers ...I just can't hook up ..After those 3.73s and headers

 

LSD rear? i call b.s.

anybody actually have a psoi-trac rear?
Tom P might since he's get a disc brake TA rear w/ 3.73's

I bet with our lack of power you'll only be able to peel in first, and if @ all, get an occasional chirp in 2nd.

as for leaving 2 marks, i've done it once or twice, sometimes those spider gears in the pumpkin will lock like posi. though, if you ever look in the winter, you can spin both sides in the snow, because there is such a lack of traction.

 

Yeah, the axle had a posi in it... sort of. Actually, it's a locker.. the Eaton Gov-lock. There's a governor in the center of the spider gears; it flys "apart" to lock the spider gears together. GM put them into '83 and '84 cars because they had trouble getting posi's from Auburn. Problem is, it's not a good design; the spider teeth chip off. My axle was missing a few pieces, but luckily, the locker still works for me. I guess the thing's probably fine behind a v6.. so far!

I can't peel out as well as has been claimed here, but I also have tires on the back that are 11 inches wide! (Compared to the stock 8.6 inches of a P215/65 tire)


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

 

tom, if you can remember a while back, I was contemplating a 3:73 swap, and you told me my 275/60R15's wouldn't have the speedo off too much, and with my 3:42's I could only powerbrake, then I got my IROC wheels and with 245/50ZR16's on Kumho's WITH my TCI 3200 stall TC (flashes sometimes to 3500) I usually can't spin on dry unless I powerbrake, but almost always It'll spin for maybe a second, flash to 3500 and go. funny thing is the tires usually don't squeal. it almost sounds similar to freely spinning on wet pavement or snow covered roads.

advice to everyone with a automatic v6, get a higher stall TC. .3 to .4 improvement.
i'm @ 16.7 @ 81.4

 

WOW , how much did your 3.73s improve your time ? Any other mods ? ...Wayne

 

i just noticed I typo'd up there that's a 16.8 not 16.7

i didn't go with the 3:73's because I had to buy the crappy car that came with it..

my car ran strong since the day I got it, and I'm sure it would have run a low-mid 17 stock compared to the mid-high 17's that they tested @
actual perf. mods are:

CAI
K&N's
no emmisions of any kind
TCI 3200 stall TC
tranny rebuilt w/ level 2 shift kit and B&M transkit
flowmaster catback
upgraded ign. all around don't recall who.
sticky kumho tires on iroc wheels
all the free mods

i'm probably missing something, but I've drivin other 2.8 auto 2.8 camaros and they where absolute dogs compared to mine.

I'm @ 85,000 miles as well

some cars just come out better and some worse, thank g0d mine was one of the better.
what the auto's lack v.s. stick is that they don't launch very high.

 

as for peeling out with both tires on asfault, yes it is possible as long as it's nice and smooth with a little dust on the gound, at my work the parking lots are a smooth blacktop and I have an auto and let me tell ya, when I romp the gas I can get my tires to chirp..in a 2.8!, AND I can get both wheels to lose traction and leave to big nice burnout marks, infact i'll take a picture later for you guys to see , but as long as the conditions suite wht your gonna do it's very possible

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87 V6 2.8 MPFI Camaro SC
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Modded dual snorkle intake "bottoms hacked off", K&N air filters, Crane Cams 8.5mm fire wire, Accel Cap and Rotor, MSDcoil. upcoming mods:
Dynomax CatBack exaust system = VERY SOON
compu cams cam shaft, CC roller rockers, double timing chain

first kill ever = 80's FireBird SE Others: 1998 Ford Conture

 

I do a true burnout once a year, the night before I put the snows on it. This is because they have studs, and I know I won't be able lay a strip even if I want to until the Spring

Anyways, if I hold the brake to 2200 RPM and floor it just as the RR breaks loose, I can spin the RR all the way to 5200 RPM in first, with near-new Firehawk GTA's. Not bad for a 2.8, eh??

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
-Medium Grey Metallic
-2.8, A4, T-tops, 95k miles
-Hypertech chip, Accel 8.8MM wires and coil
-K&Ns with gutted airbox
-Alpine 60x4 with Boston 746s and RX97s

'97 Z28
-30th Anniversary package (white with orange stripes)
-LT1, M6, t-tops, 46k miles
-Xtant 403a 50x4 + 300x1 powering a 10" Eclipse Aluminum in a JL Stealth box, Boston RM6 fronts, Monsoon rears (temporary!!), Eclipse 5341R CD, All Monster's goodies...
Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

 

That's another reason I'm thinking about getting shorter and thinner tires for the back.. it's so hard to spin my tires. I bet if the stockers were on the back, I'd have no problem! And yeah, when I do spin 'em with a powerbrake, it's never a "screeech!" It's that same "wet pavement" sound... probably has to do with the stickiness of the tire, eh?

Wow, 5200 RPM? Hey did ya know if you don't have a posi rear, your RR tire is spinning -twice- the speedometer reading?


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l)

 

um, i usually can keep it spinning when I powerbrake through first then it'll shift to 2nd and lose a bit cuz of the lower gear and catch w/ it reading 4500 in 2nd.

tom you might be right about the tire's stickiness, it made a little noise w/ the BFG radial t\a's and i think it was really noisy w/ the cheapies that came w/ my car.

but part of it is the lack of power. I put my old bfg's on my buddies IROC (the wheel donor) and I took the iroc out, and boy did it leave the longest blackest marks that I ever saw a TPI car do.

[This message has been edited by SlowCamaro88SC (edited November 16, 2001).]

 

all of u talking about chriping 3rd,how the hell do u do that?
im doing first and second with no problem , but never third
is there a problem with my car?