ratedrookie

I'm guessing this has been asked before, but just wondering if anyone has a 335 stroker kit from Powerhouse. I know super chevy did this project on silver streak camaro, but when they did it, they switched over to TPI. I'm assuming the 335 stroker will work with TBI also. Powerhouse approximates a +115 hp gain with the 335 stroker kit, have any of you guys had gains this big with this kit? All info is greatly appreciated, thanks in advance...

Tas

unless you have a super low mile 305, just get a 350. If you have a low mile 305 block it wouldn't be a bad idea, but if you disasembled the rotating assebly it would probably be cheaper to just throw some forged pistons and maybe better rods and use Nos. But whatever, that's just my bench racing advice. What do I know

NJ SPEEDER

several people have been wondering exactly what else powerhouse did to arrive at that number. a 10% increase in displacement does not make a 40% increase in power.
and for the price of the kit, machine work, and rest of the rebuild you can buy a crate motor that will make more power anyway.

later
tim

TBI305Camaro

depends on your budget. if you have enough money to be that different i say build the hell out of a 335 it would be cool and original. I really have no desire to be different...if everybody has something there must be a reason...

Hope to be getting on the 350 bandwagon soon. :lala:

ratedrookie

This is why I wanna stroke a 305. I haven't met anyone that has one. It would definately be something interesting to do and I'd also like to see if powerhouse's claim is realistic. This is why I posed the question in the first place. I don't want to be just another person that puts in a crate engine or converts to TPI or rips off the TBI for a carb. As for the $$$ part, if the claim of +115 hp is even close to correct, I think it would be well worth it.

evil t/a

Being different just for the sake of being different doesnt make much sense in this case. Noone is going to be able to tell that it is a stroked 305 just by looking at it. And it still wont deal with the inherent problems that the 305's have . For the price of the machine work and parts you could have an engine that makes more power. And it isnt origina , people have been doing it for years , with the availibilty of cheap 350 blocks it just doent make sense.

jase

this fellow wants to know if anybody has done this and if it was anywhere near the advertisement says it is? i want to know myself. people knock on 305's but i have seen them beat 350's and 302's myself and i have one.

JokerRS

How much machine work is there? I thought the block just needed to be bored .030" over. Maybe releave the oil pan rails for crank clearence? You could do that your self with a hand grinder. I think getting a block bored only costs about $120 arround here. Looks to me like Jon Prevost spent about $3200 in all buy the time every thing was installed. I'm not knocking his motor swap one bit. I think it's cool and alot of bang for the buck. I'm just saying that a motor swap cost alot more then just a motor. I've wrestled with this idea before myself. Especially since I spent the money on 305 S/R torquers.
I got to be up front with you though, I dont have a ET as a goal. I'm just having fun with my daily driver. If I was a dedicated drag racer I would have yanked out the 305 along time ago in favor of some more cubes. There are people who play with there car just for fun and I'm one of them.

NJ SPEEDER

buying a crate motor and swapping it in is a ton more econmical than doing all teh machine work and buying all the parts individually. they did anarticle about it in one of the magazines not long ago.
by the time you get done buying all teh bits and pieces you need to pu tth ething together you only save a few bucks of actual money, you have taken 5 times as long to get it together, and with most street level crate motor you get a warranty(gm performance parts is 3year/36k miles).
and saying 115hp from 30inches is absolutely ridiculous. it is not a matter of if their claim is close, it is a question of what ratty piece of junk motor they dyno tested then completely rebuilt to even come up with such a claim. stock for stock it might be worth 30hp, and even that is a bit of a stretch prolly.
having a stroker 305 would be differenjt, and that is always cool. but if you are looking to get any bang for your buck you would be best served to look elsewhere.

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tim

TBI305Camaro

someone said you cant tell a stroked 305 from a regular 305 from looking at it...you cant tell a 350 from a 305 either or a 400 for that matter

brodyscamaro

a SBC is a SBC. nothing special about a stroked 305. you dont see them that much because they would probably still get their a$$ handed to them by a larger cubed engine. but like joker said ET and power are not at the top of everybodys list

NJ SPEEDER

you can tell a 400 apart if you know what you are looking for. there are extra freeze plugs
305 and 350's look the same no matter what teh stroke on teh crank is. so a 383 and a 305 will look exactly the same from teh outside, people are highly likely to notice the difference when they stare at your tail lights though

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tim

JokerRS

My goal for my combo is 1hp per cubic inch. I looked at the strocker kit as a possible 30 more hp. But, you have to have the stuff to produce 1 hp per cube to back it up. I am woundering how much torque this set up would have. Another plus is that 335 cubes would not come close to being restricted buy TBI. It should be easy to tune with the tbi equipment available.
NJ I totaly hear were your coming from. You cant add just this stuff and gain 115 hp without any other BIG mods. You mentioned the time factor. This is my hobby, its good for me to spend time at it. Your hobby is racing, its good for you to spend time at the track. I greatly appreciate the efforts of racers to improve there cars and I have gleaned much knowledge from the work they have done. Its good to remember that we all got different needs.
A stroker would be different. And it would give me something to work on during the cold winter months while my car is put away. And if I reached my moddest goal of one hp per cubic inch I would be real happy with 335 hp.

evil t/a

read my post agian and see if you can comprehend the point that I was making. If not I will explain it to you


Being different just for the sake of being different doesnt make much sense in this case. Noone is going to be able to tell that it is a stroked 305 just by looking at it. And it still wont deal with the inherent problems that the 305's have . For the price of the machine work and parts you could have an engine that makes more power. And it isnt origina , people have been doing it for years , with the availibilty of cheap 350 blocks it just doent make sense.

ratedrookie

Hey guys thanks for the replies and the info!!! But my intentions of possibly stroking the 305 is not so I can pop the hood and show people the engine and have them say "whoa, a 335 stroker." Sure my close buddies would know, but I could care less if others can't tell what I got under the hood. The whole point is so that no one will know I have such a mod. This is why I asked if the power claims are realistic. I'm trying to build a sleeper out of the 305, and if a kit advertises itself as having such high power increases, it definately will attract attention. JokerRS, I'm with you in that I'd like to achieve 1hp per cubic inch and I just thought this kit could really help out if the power claims are realistic. What would be better than smoking a new stang and then having them see they just got beat by a lonely, old, and often unappreciated LO3???

steve8586iroc

rated,

I think you have it backwards. Most everyone that has replied to your thread is saying that for a true sleeper you need all the cubes you can get, say maybe 383 or bigger. Then when you kick but and they ask you what you have under the hood you say , it's just a 305 take a look. The fact that you can build a 335 out of a 305 really means nothing but the fact that you just wanted to do it, period. The neat part about a 383 is you could use some stock 350 tpi exshaust manifolds and still blow most everyone in the weeds, then when someone wants to see under the hood all you'll get is disbelife, no way man that thing rocks, you gota have nos or something man. Now thats a sleeper. Other than that the only other reason I can think of for building a 335 is that it is a limit that the class your running in has and you can't go any bigger. JMO

Steve

Pablo

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This thread is dangerously close to the Gay Thread (tm) self destruct limit. Be carefull with further postings.. you just might set off the countdown sequence.

Things to watch out for:
Any talk of any advantages of a 335 stroker
Any talk of it being "Sleeper" (This would certainly set it off)
Any attempt to not acknowledge that any other engine, i.e. 327, 350, etc is light years better.
Any attempt to tell me I am wrong or biased.

Pablo

iTrader: (1)

ps, a 310 (see the sig) is a 305 .030 over.. that means some idiot spent money on machine work on my short block (i got it for free there is no way i would be dumb enough to put work into a 305 short block)

Tas

:hail: 327 :lala:

steve8586iroc

I was getting kind of worried about you Pablo. Good thing you cleared that up for me.

ratedrookie

In no way did I ever say that more cubes are not better. Like the saying goes, "there's no substitute for cubic inches." Obviously a 327 and 350+ is better than a 335. I'm just trying to find a way to make more power with what I've already got. Sure I'd like to rip out the 305 and drop in a crate 350, but I also don't want to replace a 305 that currently runs almost perfect. Anyways, you guys have really helped me out with this topic. The 335 stroker is probably out of the question now. I'm really considering a crate engine. Maybe I'll just save the LO3 for a Fiero project?

steve8586iroc

No just save it for when the crate engine blows

Pablo

iTrader: (1)

In the name of all that is just.. eliminate it so that its seed may no longer inherit and infect the earth with its underpowered filth

Slade1

I'm gonna assume you have a stock LO3, or close to it before I say anything. The mods done to the stroker 335 wasn't just limited to the stroker kit. They put in a new intake, new exhaust and heads and cam. Now the cam and intake alone are worth a 80 HP boost. Remember a LO3 has little to start with in the first place, restricted intake, exhaust and cold cam push it down to 170 HP at the flywheel and only 255 ft/lbs of torque. Usually sleeper is something to describe waking a beast, and in reality yes working on a 305 is like waking a beast. Mod for mod, a 305 gains more than a 350. Sure a 350 when done will spank a 305 anyday, but remember most 350's start off with a more free everything, so the gain is smaller because it starts with more. A 383 vs a 335 with semi-identical mods, just starting ci different and if you say the 383 will lose then that's just plain silly. I always thought of sleeper as an engine that is asleep . The LO3 fits that bill correctly. Any 350's don't fit that description because they are already awake, just missing the coffee to get them going. When compared to ricers, then all GM SBC's are sleepers. We are the underdog in the new import and new age scene for performance. And it is our duty to be true to the grand ol American V-8 that we and our cars are not to be taken lightly.. no we should be feared and respected for the beast machines we drive. Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

88Bravo

If you really want to be different, go with a 302. It would take some money and time to find all of the parts, but that would be interesting. Does anybody know if there is somebody out there with a true Pontiac motor in there third gen?

steve8586iroc

Slade, in your description of a sleeper engine your saying that the best sleeper would be a iron duke(4 cyclinder ) with a hidden 1000hp nos setup.

RSFreak

Why go through the hassle to convert what you already have into something else, why not just buy something better and be done with it?! I mean, hell, you're gonna have to pull the 305 anyway, right? Put a 350 in its place!