david roush

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I am about to purchase a super ram set up. I already did a search and found someone who posted the easiest way to install it ,such as slotting the runner bolts as a tip. Does anyone else know of any other tips or tricks to make things easier for the install? Plus will i run into any unknown problems? Like with the throttle linkage or anything you may have to modify a little bit to get it to work. Any tips or help will be greatly appreciated.

doc

"slotting the runner bolts".... this advice pertains to the runner to plenum screws. These screws screw in from the bottom. The four near the center of the plunum are the hardest to start w/o cross threading. If I have to remove & reinstall my Superram, I will use cap screws and run them in from the top using red locktite.

Also, buy a ratching wrench which fits the runner to plenum screws, saves alot of time.

Start all screws and bolts by hand at least one turn, then use a wrench to finish up.

Oh yea, get an allen wrench (I think its 6mm or 8mm) with a ball tip to run in the runner to intake bolts. There are two bolts on each side which are tough to get to w/o removing the rockers. But with a ball tip on the large allen wrench, they can be tightened w/o removing the rockers.

And dont forget to get the various vacuum lines routed correctly and get the temp sensor plugged in BEFORE installing the plenum.

vernw

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When I installed mine, which I got used, someone had drilled out the holes in the bottom of the plenum and had tapped the runners so that they could use rounded head allen screws coming in from the top (from inside the plenum) down into the runners to connect them together. Made it a LOT easier to do.

I also second the comment about the IAT sensor - connect it BEFORE you set the plenum on. Better decide what you're doing with the EGR valve and get it connected or blocked off before doing the plenum as well. Can't get to it once the plenum is on.

Another hint is to start all runner (both top and bottom) bolts before tightening any of them up.

Also use some RTV on the lower gaskets. I also use it on the runner to plenum gaskets as well.

Be sure to check your ruuner to lower intake gaskets to make sure you have the correct ones. Accel shipped the wrong gaskets for quite a while, I'm lucky enough to have three full sets of the WRONG gaskets

There is a thread in this section that has pictures and detailed explanation of how to tell the correct gaskets. Using the wrong ones is almost a guarantee you'll have a vacuum leak. That's probably the source of the "bad for vacuum leaks" reputation that the SR has gotten from some folks. It's a great intake, in my opinion, especially since it's the only one that's emissions legal.

One last hint - don't over torque any of the screws or bolts. Just snug them up (hence my using the RTV to make sure everything seals). You're dealing with soft aluminum and it's not hard at all to strip the threads out if you twist them too hard. Luckily you can always go to a bolt and nut on the runner to plenum connection if that does happen (or a larger bolt for the plenum lid, too - don't ask me how I know this LOL).

Since you're running a T-5, you won't have any problems with the 700R4 throttle valve cable like some folks run into. I didn't ahve any problems with the accelerator cable and cruise cable at all.

Just take your time and then enjoy the higher RPM breathing and the torque of this intake!

david roush

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I was wondering about the EGR valve the other day. Does it have to be relocated? What do you mean by "getting it connected"? I might be able to get away w/ just blocking it off somehow since emission laws here are only visual .But will blockIng it off wreak havock with the ECM?. I'de rather have it connected i guess. What might i have to do to the EGR to still have it function properly?

vernw

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Just make sure it has a good vacuum hose on it going to the EGR solenoid. I was just trying to say don't forget to connec t the EGR up before putting on the plenum 'cause there's no way to get to it with the plenum on there.....

doc

About the bolts being threaded thru from the top instaed of thru the bottom, we are only referring to the center four bolts.

Also, take pictures of the stock stuff that you are taking off, get enough pictures so that you know how to hook everything back up. Maybe enough tag connectors and vacuum lines.

This will be a great aid when you put stuff back together.

david roush

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Thanks, you guys are a big help. I figured on taking pics would be a good thing to do. When i put the TPI set up i had nothing to look at period to hook anything up. Only had pics in a magazine and this site to refer to.
Anyone wanna take a stab at what kinda hp gains and torque gains i should get out of this set up? Or will i loose a little torque do you think?
Another question...Is this basically plug in and play. My fuel pummp is good right?. I am getting the injectors with it,not sure what size they are though..can i use my 23 lbs ones ? I can use the 7165 ECM right?... As long as i can use the 23 lbs injectors i won't have to fool with the chip right?

bowtie350_428

I have heard many people recommend using RTV to seal it up. But I always heard that RTV can desolve when expoesed to gasoline then gunk up your combustion chamber.

And even though the SR is Dry FI intake, would a person using Wet NOS system injecting gas from behind the throtle body have to worry about this?

How about gas fumes feed from Vapor canaster?

Is there an RTV that does not desovle with gas?

I'm not saying RTV is a bad idea, I just want to know if I can put my concerns to rest because I want an SR too, but without the leaks.

doc

FWIW: I cement the runner gaskets to the runners with either silicone sealant or gasket cement, in doing so I line up the bolt holes. This makes assembly a little bit easier. Then, when you take it back apart, my hope is that the gaskets come off clean with the runners.

When doing this, you have to be sure the gasket is flush with the runner surface.

anesthes

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RTV kills o2 sensors. Even the "sensor safe" stuff, is not.

-- Joe

vernw

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Where did you hear that, Joe? I'm curious if there's any proof of that? If so, I suspect there's a heap of us in big trouble (not just SR users, either).....

83 Crossfire TA

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Yea, I’ve never heard or seen anything like that either.

FWIW, I wouldn’t use rtv to seal up intake runners anyway, it really does dissolve in gas. There are a bunch of gasket adhesives that are appropriate for the job if that’s what you’re using the rtv for, and if you’re using it to seal there are sealants that are fuel compatible, I usually use hylomar or this blue “block” gasketmaker…

vernw

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Yeah, that's probably a smarter and better choice. I'll do the same the next time it comes off..... Thanks!

vernw

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Provided I keep the blasted thing. ACCEL has pretty well **** in their messkit with me. Here's a post I just put up in Aftermarket Reviews:

I know I have a SuperRam, and like it, but I think I'm done messing around with Accel and their lousy support. Read on:

I've got 3 different sets of new-in-the-box Super Ram gaskets I bought off eBay. Part number 74196-G. Got them in, and guess what - they're the older style with the built in vacuum leak they were shipping by their own admitted mistake for a while. So I tried contacting Accel.

First, it took them a week to answer the email to tech support. Then all they did was say call ACCEL DFI Tech Support @ 248-380-2780. So I did.

Know what the guy there just told me? "You'll have to go buy new ones". They have no way to replace them or rectify the problem. "I guess you're out of luck," he said, "unless you can take them back to where you bought them."

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE ME WANT TO BUY MORE ACCEL STUFF?

N O T ! ! !

Just wanted to pass this one. I'm pretty hot about it right now. Hot enough to be considering an LT-1 or LT-4 conversion on my 383....

brutalform

Thats somthing else, Vern! Thats the way people today do their jobs. Customer Service is a term that is really starting to fade out. Now, I know there are many respectable companies that stand behind their stuff, but, this seems like its getting out of hand. I knew we were in trouble when the automated phone answering recordings started. What really hurts, is that, all day long, I SERVE my customers, but when its my turn, it seems like I'm always getting the shaft!

An apology for the late reply was in order, and perhaps the product overnighted, free of charge, would not hurt either.

vernw

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Yeah, Tom, that would have been the best response, but I would have been completely satisfied if thye had given me an RMA number to send them in for a swap for the corrected sets.

So I for one will not buy any more ACCEL products if at all possible. They probably won't miss my $$, but at least I'll feel better about it.

And I'm seriously considering calling Lingenfelter on Monday. Doubt they'll do anything either, but if nothing else let them know how well ACCEL is mis-managing their product for them. And the results. I may be selling a polished and ported Superram setup before too long....

brutalform

Another thing you could do Vern, is make a set of gaskets, from the correct ones. Any auto store should have various thickness gasket paper. I know you should not have to resort to this, but, it might save you some aggravation next time.

Floor guy

I have done this.
2 reasons
1) I am cheap.
2) I hate to wait.
Accel sure seems to be going downhill lately.

vernw

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Yeah, Tom, that's probably what I'll have to do if I keep it. I pretty much refuse to give Accel any more of my $$$

86TA355SR

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I agree with you Vern, seems like they don't care much anymore about service and getting you what you need.

Resorted to making my own gaskets on my motor due to problems with Accel and the SR.

Take care Brother!

vernw

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Will do, and thanks!

wheredid you get the material and what thickness and material?

83 Crossfire TA

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FWIW, I’ve also resorted to making my own gaskets at times for assorted reasons (usually something between being too lazy to find someone that actually has the right ones in stock for something odd, being a cheap bastard and it’s 2am and I just want to be done), but the last 2 times I messed with my TPI I actually got away with using thicker, non hardening sealants without gaskets at all…

Z69

Amazing how that stuff I was using back in the 80's still works.

vernw

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So, what are you guys actually using? Please be specific!

83 Crossfire TA

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same stuff I listed above...

vernw

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I was trying to find out what you were calling "thicker, non hardening sealants ", since there are so many products out there...