87 transam

Ok just as it says I have a 92 rs with the 3.1l in it and I don't find it very slow I have had a few t/a with the 305l carbed and I think that my v6 can keep up with them hell I can light up my tires butter in my v6 then I could in my v8 lol is it just me or am I missing something here and best of all I have been getting about 28 mpg try that with a v8 lol any input would be good thanks

ex-x-fire

Nowadays everything is so hyped up by new cars with 250-400hp, its like every camaro or 'bird should have a v8. I like the balance of these f-bodys w/ the v6, and they can be made too run real good too.
I bet GM would gladly loose some of the stuff that drives up the price on the new camaros to go back to the sales numbers they had in 1979 & 1984. Those cars weren't barnburners, but its what people wanted & could afford.

Street Lethal

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Sounds like your timing was way off, and your carb wasn't tuned correctly in the 305....

wilesbd

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My first camaro as a 87 plain jane 2.8 maybe its time but it was my favorite, since her ive had a 87 305tpi iroc, 83 Iron Duke 2.5l 4 cylinder, a 90 formula 350 and my current 91 305 rs. And i can say ive enjoyed everyone of them, given the chance id love another v6 for a DD.

87 transam

I guess it just a fact that no matter what motor you have in our car you are always going to want more power
You ever notice that you have us sixers wanting biger v6 or a v8 you have the 305 wanting a 350 and then you have the 350 wanting a 383 or a big block so the morale of it is no mater what you have you always want more I guess lol

Street Lethal

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.... not me.

87 transam

Lol you have a turbo on your car right that's what it says and why did you put one on . Cos you wanted more power so that code right back to what I said we all just want more power lol

Street Lethal

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Your completely missing what I said though. I don't want, or need, a 350. If I was running a 4-cylinder then I wouldn't want, or need, a V6. Any engine can make the power you need when you give it what it wants. In fact, my next build is going to be a 4-cylinder Iron Duke. As everyone else desires more and more cubic inch displacement to meet their goals, I'm doing just the opposite and going with less and less because cubic inches is no longer needed. As for everyone ragging on the 3.1, Dave (project89) did a pretty good job with his these last few years, and he even spanked my old '98 Trans Am LS1 on our way back from the track before I sold it, which ran mid 12's....

87 transam

That's cool I would love to see a iron duke bulid I am sorry I think I got off point some where lol I just ment for a v6 the car moves good I think this is my dd car I so have a 87 t/a that I am working on with a 305 in it I was just saying that it seems like everytime someone says v6 there's someone there to say get does of it and put a v8 in don't get me wrong if I had all tools I needed I would be putting a turbo on my sixer

wilesbd

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Nothing wrong with a 6. One of my favorite memories with any f-body ive had was with the iron duke(the joke of school buses passing you in a yellow blur wasnt much of a exageration)I used to like taking it to the local cruise ins and getting the know it alls argue with me that camaros never came factory with a 4 cylinder, i would let them go on for a while before pulling out the factory brochure and lit to prove them wrong, always loved their responces

project89

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LS aint **** lmao

edit new sig lol

project89

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i have been searching for a iron duke car to build actually, i think an 4cy turbo build would be pretty cool in one of these cars

Street Lethal

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Street Lethal

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Already got my hands on one....

project89

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sad part is my v6 car is more then capable of 11 second passes, but its still considered slow by todays standards

Maverick H1L

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Well, in the RWD, the 3.1 was basically the middle child that got nothing... The 2.8 got upgraded a couple of times, and swapped from carb to MFI. The 3.4 was the younger, bigger brother of both the 2.8 and 3.1, and got the sequential fuel injection along with distributorless ignition. Big deal, right? Only thing the 3.1 got was the speed density ECM system... Oh, and the fact that it was also used in a FWD configuration as equipped in the F-body but with TBI instead of multi-port injection (Lumina APV, Silhouette, Trans Sport).

However, the 3100 (FWD SFI 3.1 with different top end parts and pistons) was probably the most prolific of the 60* V6 engines. Unless someone can point out the year the 3400 came into being (not the 3.4 DOHC).

pickle

my old s10 had an iron duke and a 5 speed, although my v6 camaro isnt much faster (YET!) and i always wanted to build it up, in fact i outran a 5 speed 2.8 s10 with it. i would really like to see a nice build on a 2.5 duke. the thing i dont like about the 3.1 is there are soo many of them, and again, by today's standards are not much as far as power

project89

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if somone was local to me with a 4banger camaro id do a turbo install at cost just to do it

pickle

i always wanted to drop a cam and small turbo into an iron duke. never have heard a 4 banger lope

midias

It is an odd sound. I helped a friend drop a 2.0L 89 accord engine into his track 83 accord with dual webber carbs. The cam was wild sounded mean and sometimes shot fireballs out of the hood scoop on start up.

Street Lethal

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Maybe I should put the video of your V6 cracking the block in my siggie lmao....

project89

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lol which vid is that

Street Lethal

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I knew you would forget about those vids lol. That was when the radiator sprung a leak, and you insisted on running down the track with the ole "pepper" trick a la Paul's advice. Water started spewing out of the block and we were convinced that it was a freeze plug, and sure it enough, one was missing in the back of the block. I have you and Paul installing a new freeze plug on video, but later realizing that it was still leaking even after it was put in, only to find out that the water jackets in the block were stretched on the drivers side....

Remember now...?

92camarorv6

yay ironduke love im hopeing im about tho get one of thows cars and i have a ? about the 3.4 dohc has any one tryed to put on in a camaro and can it be set up as a rwd motor i know were a motor is and i think i can get rolling car to do the set up just need some info

project89

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i figured that was the one, it blew the freezeplug when she drove the car down the track cause she left the ebrake on lol.
i couoldnt rember if we took videos of us putting in the new plug and the carnage on the block

DeathStarr89

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3100 came out in 93, 3400 came out in 96, the 3500 came out in 2004 and is the king of the gen 3 60v6's.



People outside the 3rd gen Fbody community think pretty poorly of all the 3rd gen Fbody engine choices. Compared to the 1st, early 2nd, 4th and 5th gen's our cars are a joke in stock form.

pickle

but beautiful!

Maverick H1L

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Well, of course they are. Between the fuel efficiency and emissions standards brought out at the end of the 70s, when our cars were in the design stage, the engines (and cars) were strangled. I'd guess GM figured that if people wanted something with more power, they would get a Vette, if they could afford one. It seems to me that our cars were basically the Cavalier of the sporty GM cars, cheap and woefully powered (I mean, come on... what other sporty GM car came with a 4-cylinder as the base engine?). I tend to think GM got lucky with the looks of the car, so much so that they sold a LOT of them, even if the engines were choked. It's too bad, though, that most of the companies that made aftermarket parts for our cars through the 80s and early 90s either went belly-up or just stopped production altogether, as the 3rd gen is making somewhat of a comeback due to being dirt cheap right now and also being on the brink of being a "classic".

However, you can't say that our cars were too far behind in a technical standpoint... The 60* was still relatively new in 1982, even with its bugs (small port heads, small journal crank, pitiful intake). We probably wouldn't get ragged on as much if the aftermarket would pick up the ball that is the 60* and run with it like they do pretty much everything else.

pickle

sorry it is because i own one, and i could never get that lucky. it brought a tear to my eye when you put my camaro and a caviqueer on the same level

Aaron_SK

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Hey now buckaroo. I'll gladly run my bone-stock Z24 against any NA veesix Camaro any day!

And I say that as a guy building a turbo six Camaro
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pickle

a 3.8 no less, one of my favorite engines of all time. sigh... im jealous of you now

Maverick H1L

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I'll tell you what... The 1992 base Bird, with the 3.1, had an MSRP of just over $12K (base V6, SIR air bag, VATS, T5, 15-inch rims). The 1992 Cavalier Z24, same engine, also a 5-speed, sold for the same. (scratch what I said before, that one was $1500 less than the unoptioned base Z24). They were pretty much the same price wise for the base F-body...

pickle

i would have definitely bought a base bird before a cavi in 92 if i were in the market at the time

Andrew James

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Never go any lower than eight cylinders, I've had two V6s, three V8s and one V6 was built in a Accord... The other a 4.3 S10 Blazer... Not going back to a six cylinder ever if I can help it.

Aaron_SK

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Guess which car would have been faster.

Whatever, dude.

DeathStarr89

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Really now... Stop by, i'll warm mine up and we'll go have some fun.


BTW, Yes... a stock 3.1/5 speed Z24 is actually pretty quick. I've owned several and set the bar pretty high for anyone to have a faster one N/A.

Andrew James

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I'm sorry?

Aaron_SK

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A little bit of a road trip out to the cornfields.

I'm sure you are.

You are on the V6 forum arguing with people who own or are building fast V6 cars that you would never have a V6 "if you could help it" and the only proof you have to support your troll theory is that you owned a mid-sized Japanese Grandma-mobile and a truck motor that GM designed out of spare parts? Come on, dude! I don't get the trolling thing, I really don't.

midias

My engine is bigger than yours > my ***** is bigger than yours right?

So many people seem to think modding a smaller engine is pointless. I love the look on their face when they are behind you. I know a guy with a triple charged solara making a conservative low boost 426whp and 470tq with near 0 lag but most people would think that is pointless.

Don't believe me here is a pic



But seriously not sure why people rag on the V6 for people who don't want to go fast it is fine and for people who want speed I would rather run a turbo V6 so much more room under the hood to fit everything.

Then again if I wanted speed I would probably just start with an 8 but only because I think it is easier but I know for a fact there are a lot of V6s on the road that would our 8s stock.

Aaron_SK

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Now that is quite a build, Midias. Looks like he's missing the oil return lines in that pic, though.

midias

Yea that was mid build but it is running now and he can smote new camaro SSs like they are standing still.

Johnny Blaze

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Everyones car is the fastest on the internet.

Aaron_SK

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Nah, my cars are the most sittin' in the shop on the internet.

Johnny Blaze

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Nuh uh, mine s been sitting in the shop longer.

project89

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while i have a very fast v6 car, mod for mod the bigger engine will always make more power.a good example is my turbo 3.1 if i were to slide a 3.4 longblock under my heads/intake and turbo system it would make around 35-50 more hp across the board. i knew that before i even built my 3.1 so why did i buy a 3.1 instead of a 3.4

cause i got a 40k mile 3.1 motor and trans for 100 bucks vs an unknown jy 3.4 motor for 3-400 bucks but im proud of my lil 3.1 its faster then all the 3.4 n/a's and turbo cars, and makes just as much power as the hybrid turbo guys

im alll for building what u have though specially when cost and ability comes into play

another example is my twin turbo iroc hell i could have bought a lsx and droped that in and droped a turbo on that and made 1000hp with no mods to the motor

but i stuck with the 355 gen1 motor will it make 1000hp sure it will its just going to take alot more boost and internal mods.so why did i stick with the gen1 motor well cost and ability to swap in an lsx motor at the time

Pillsbry10

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nuh uh nuh uh mines been sitting in the shop longer on 4 flats