Wideband O2 Advice
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Wideband O2 Advice
I have a 91 TPI car, and want to add a wideband o2 sensor and gauge. Can someone recommend one that has a good 0-1v output for the ECM?
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I'm sorry but Innovates suck, here's proof. The NTK is a lab grade, the best you can get. Look how far the Innovate is from that.
There are better ones out there, Accel and AEM to name a couple.
There are better ones out there, Accel and AEM to name a couple.
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It that being tested against a known A/F sample of ext gas? IOW the other two tested reported correctly?
All I can say is my tune is asking for stoich in CL(14.13 E10) and my sensor reports just that with expected switching a tad over and below stoich(lambda). My sensor is a Bosch(VW Jetta I believe).
All I can say is my tune is asking for stoich in CL(14.13 E10) and my sensor reports just that with expected switching a tad over and below stoich(lambda). My sensor is a Bosch(VW Jetta I believe).
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Re: Wideband O2 Advice
Ronny: what model do you have? The moates site seems to have several choices.
I don't have any experience with their o2 stuff, but I bought my EEPROM burner, chips and carrier from moates.net and they seem to work fine.
I don't have any experience with their o2 stuff, but I bought my EEPROM burner, chips and carrier from moates.net and they seem to work fine.
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Re: Wideband O2 Advice
I got the one from www.dynamicefi.com
It hooks up to the EBL P4 Flash I got from there too, so I can tune.... Wideband not hooked up yet though....
So if your ecm is stock, ecm won't see any difference.... I think... someone chime in...
Rafael
It hooks up to the EBL P4 Flash I got from there too, so I can tune.... Wideband not hooked up yet though....
So if your ecm is stock, ecm won't see any difference.... I think... someone chime in...
Rafael
Re: Wideband O2 Advice
It that being tested against a known A/F sample of ext gas? IOW the other two tested reported correctly? Yes, NTK is lab grade. it's what everything else is calibrated to.
All I can say is my tune is asking for stoich in CL(14.13 E10) and my sensor reports just that with expected switching a tad over and below stoich(lambda). My sensor is a Bosch(VW Jetta I believe).
All I can say is my tune is asking for stoich in CL(14.13 E10) and my sensor reports just that with expected switching a tad over and below stoich(lambda). My sensor is a Bosch(VW Jetta I believe).
Any of the "free air" calibrated O2's aren't very accurate.
And unless you can compare it to a test grade O2 you'll never know that.
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Re: Wideband O2 Advice
I purchased mine in a group buy here quite a few years ago from Innovate. It does have a controller. Mine is in fact calibrated to "free air". I do calibrate periodically but honestly did not see any changes. I would order one from Moates whatever brand he offers. I would take efiguy suggestion as well on the NTK as well if not too costly. It may be the best out there.
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Re: Wideband O2 Advice
Um, I don't mind sounding like an idiot so I will ask. What is the graph showing, response time of the sensors? And how do we know how "bad" it is if the X and Y axis are not shown on that graph? Who did the test, how did they do it , blah blah blah. I have the innovate wideband and on all my datalogs my sensor appears to be very quick and responsive, even down to the thousandth of a second.
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Um, I don't mind sounding like an idiot so I will ask. What is the graph showing, response time of the sensors? Yes And how do we know how "bad" it is if the X and Y axis are not shown on that graph? Who did the test, how did they do it , blah blah blah. An independent lab, I'll try to get the name. I have the innovate wideband and on all my datalogs my sensor appears to be very quick and responsive, even down to the thousandth of a second. I don't doubt that, but how can you verify it's accuracy?
I had an Innovate, then sold it and bought a better one.
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