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LTX and LSXPutting LT1s, LS1s, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who are doing and have done the swaps so they can discuss all of their technical aspects including repairs, swap info, and performance upgrades.
I'm going to try something different and see if it takes root.
I've got the '82-92 F-body 1/4 mile times list in the racing forum (Link Here), but the truth is a lot of people don't drag race, and even fewer people have a drag car suspension to pull a good time.
But I'll bet a lot of LS swappers have dyno sheets from when the engines were tuned. And I'll bet even more people would like to see how different combos perform.
--> Post up a description of your engine build with dyno sheets. Also say what kind of dyno was used for testing, since results can vary.
--> Type of transmission, and rear gear ratio. Let people know if the dyno run was in a different trans gear than 1.0 ratio.
--> No speculating, please. Just the folks that have documentation.
I know, the dyno can lie and the drag strip doesn't. But I think this might appeal to a broader audience and get more responses than the 1/4 mile thread.
Junkyard 33k pull - stock 06 GTO LS2 (includes DBW) w/ stock 4L65e and had 9bolt 3.27 at dyno time.
All stock (even accessories) w/ CAI and SW LS7 exhaust.
I asked for a no knock-retard tune (conservative). The plateau with no peak shows it continues to pull. When I get to the point of HCI, that should wake this up considerably.
Last edited by TEDSgrad; Mar 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM.
Impressive numbers 86white! I didn't even get half of that.
My results were 340hp/320tq. The torque number shown on the dyno result reflects a spike and isn't accurate. 320 looks to be the actual max torque.
I went with a 5.3L LC9 engine.
DoD and VVT deleted
Texas Speed and Performance cam 220R 114 LSA
Hedman long tube headers
T56 with stage 2 rebuild
3.73 axle ratio
Here is results of two different cams in the same engine. Both were taken on the same MD-500 Mustang dyno.
427 6.0L stroker (4.125 stroke)
PRC L92 heads
FAST 102R with the long runners
T56 , 3.73 rear gear
Hawks 2" primary headers and single 3.5" exhaust
First curve is with a TrexV2 cam (450 RWHP , 437 lb-ft). Never ran it at the track. This was really an LS1 style cam and didn't work real well with this engine.
Second curve is with a CamMotion 240/256 114+3. Tires would not hold more than 400 lb-ft, so dyno reported only 478 RWHP with tires spinning. Car went 125 mph in the 1/4 mile at about about 3700 pounds. Later discovered the cam was advanced 5 degrees so that really hampered top end power. And the engine would have been better off with mid-length runners in the FAST intake (instead of the long runners). There was a lot left on the table with this combo and wish I could have seen what it could have done when set up right.
Impressive numbers 86white! I didn't even get half of that.
My results were 340hp/320tq. The torque number shown on the dyno result reflects a spike and isn't accurate. 320 looks to be the actual max torque.
Thanks, I wasn't expecting to hit over 700whp with my setup at first with pump and meth.I will do a spring dyno pull to see if its still making the same power and healthy after I swap my new diff in.
This is a useful thread! I was looking for something like this when I was getting ready to put the lsa on my 5.3.
Gen 3 LM7 5.3, craigslist special, 300 bucks.
Stock bottom end.
Stock 94’ T-56 converted for an ls motor
Strange S60 rear with a trutrac and 3.73’s, stock torque arm
Monster Clutch triple disk
799 heads milled .030
Arp head studs with ls9 head gaskets
Tick Performance stage 2 turbo cam
Brian Tooley valve springs, comp trunions, comp pushrods
Walbro 400 in tank, 3/8 feed and return, Deka 80 injectors
Lsa blower untouched with cathedral adapter plates, 2.4 upper pulley, Lsx Concepts race drive, Zl1 lower pulley.
Aem meth injection running boost juice.
Made 15lbs on 93 pump gas. Best it ran was a 10.8@133 before the old clutch started slipping. Put down 529/510 at the tuner. I have a 6.0 going in now with a blower cam and ported heads. Should be fun!
Its their billet 84mm..I had previously their 78/75 and I loved it..Got an offer on the turbo and decided to try the 84mm as a direct replacement.It performs great 2yrs later and no issues. My only gripe with the On3 turbos..if you want to really call it a problem.they are very quiet compared to other brands. Its good and bad..good for street manners..but when full tilt..I expect to hear screaming jet.. not a high pitch whistle lol.
GTO TVS1900 supercharger kit on a 2000 LS1. Engine is stock, heads are stock 853's with Crane dual springs, and essentially a Thunder Racing blower cam (214/230 .601 / .578 117 LSA).
Supercharger has a 102mm TB, bored out snout, and 3.05 pulley. Maxes out at 8.2PSI.
Speed density tune, big air filter to a straight 4" pipe on the intake.
Exhaust is Hawks 1-3/4 long tubes, 2.5" y-pipe, 3" exhaust with flowmaster muffler.
First run with cutout closed 497 RWHP / 471 lb-ft
Second run with cutout open 507 RWHP / 491 lb-ft
Added a Weiand LS6 intake and a Comp Cams 222/224 0.567/0.569
331 RWHP / 331 lb-ft
Added a Garret GT42R turbo, and 60pound injectors with a base speed density tune. Blue lines are with 4 psi boost, and red lines are with 8 psi boost.
407 RWHP / 406 lb-ft
495 RWHP / 476 lb-ft
LS6 382 stroker
Comp Cam 236 duration, 0.525 lift with a 112 LSA
LS6 heads ported
LS6 intake with 39lb injectors
3 inch exhaust to a Magnaflow muffler
T56 manual trans
3.73 gear
Tuned for E85
LS3 stock short block
LS3 stock heads
Cam 232/242 112 +4 , 0.591/0.591
92mm Nick Williams throttle body
Hawks long tube headers
3" duals with x-pipe and dual Flowmaster 40-series dumped before axle
LS6 engine & intake
VRX4 camshaft Hawks long tube headers 3" Y-pipe into 3.5" single over the axle Underdrive crank pulley 4L60E with Yank SS3600 converter
408 iron block (6.0 stroker)
11.7 compression
TEA ported Trick Flow 235cc heads
"Pat G." custom hydraulic roller cam, LSL lobe, 247/255, 0.624/0.624, 108 ICL
Super Victor intake
1050 cfm AED 4150 carburetor
Electric water pump
1-3/4 x 3" headers, 3" merge Y into a 4" full exhaust, Bullet and dynomax oval muffler
TH350 trans
Yank 8" race converter 5200 on the dyno
Steel driveshaft
Ford 9" with 4.33 gears, slicks
LS2 6.0L
MTI Stealth cam
MTI Stage 2E ported heads
FAST intake, 90 mm throttle body
Cold air intake
Long tube headers
3 inch exhaust with two Random Tech cats, Hooker muffler
On a Mustang dyno it made 365 RWHP / 361 lb-ft
On a Dyojet dyno it made 409 RWHP / 402 lb-ft
Well, since we’re posting documents about performance, I might as well come clean. Last October, I did a burnout for the first time after the LS swap. The LC9 did not disappoint. Unfortunately, the motorcycle cop became visible a few feet past the stop sign just as I was regaining control of the rear end. I’m in my late 40’s and so ashamed!
We stuck with the 3.2" pulley for now at just over 5 lbs of boost as i am maxing out my airflow sensor limit in the GMPP OS and don't want to do scaling as i am working to upgrade to a OS without this limitation.
So we made 566 rwhp in the end with the 5 lbs of boost. That is up from my 448 rwhp last year. My numbers over the past couple of years all at the same facility with the same dyno are,
2009 LS3 Crate with GM Hot Cam - 389 rwhp / 370 rwtq 2010 Add ported heads and Texas Speed Cam - 448 rwhp / 408 rwtq 2011 Add TVS2300 at 5 lbs of boost - 566 rwhp / 489 rwtq
So still some room to grow over 600 rwhp if i desire, but it is already pretty stout driver!
Really interesting seeing the quick links post seeing the range of cars at certain levels on hp based on the build.I thought there were quite a few more cars over the 700+
Unfortunately I do not have the dyno sheet handy, but no big numbers. If a sheet is needed, feel free to either delete or asterisk mine, also I'll attach the sheet if/when I find it.
290rwhp / 340 lb-ft on a Mustang dyno
'98 block LS1, T56 trans, 853 heads, 3.70 9 bolt. Everything stock other than what's listed below
LS6 intake
ported TB
Tahoe MAF
Stainless Works 1-5/8" LT swap headers -> custom y-pipe into 3" flowmaster cat-back.
Tuner said there was more in it, but was having fits with the '98 pcm. I got a '99+ but haven't repinned the connectors yet.
If this helps lay a baseline for very mild build, then I won't feel like I'm embarrassing myself too much.
Unfortunately I do not have the dyno sheet handy, but no big numbers. If a sheet is needed, feel free to either delete or asterisk mine, also I'll attach the sheet if/when I find it.
290rwhp / 340 lb-ft on a Mustang dyno
'98 block LS1, T56 trans, 853 heads, 3.70 9 bolt. Everything stock other than what's listed below
LS6 intake
ported TB
Tahoe MAF
Stainless Works 1-5/8" LT swap headers -> custom y-pipe into 3" flowmaster cat-back.
Tuner said there was more in it, but was having fits with the '98 pcm. I got a '99+ but haven't repinned the connectors yet.
If this helps lay a baseline for very mild build, then I won't feel like I'm embarrassing myself too much.
That seems way low. My 2002 Ls1 with stock exhaust manifolds, Ls6 intake... basically bone stock with dyno tune did 340 rwhp and 350 rwtq in my Iroc.
LS1, stock 241 heads, ls6 intake, speed engineering long tubes, 2.5" mandrel bent dual exhaust with h-pipe and and super 10 knock offs.
TSP 228/232 112 LSA
34lb injectors out of the supercharged 3.8 GMs
T56, LS7 clutch
LS1 rear with trunion brace.
oh, and a fresh custom aluminum drive shaft since mine exploded on an earlier run...
Yeah, mine spins on dyno too. If you figure out why let me know. I can't get a clean run.
It must have something to do with suspension and the way the car is strapped down? Maybe roller diameter being a little on the small side?
Yeah, mine spins on dyno too. If you figure out why let me know. I can't get a clean run.
It must have something to do with suspension and the way the car is strapped down? Maybe roller diameter being a little on the small side?
Not sure why... But since there isn't any weight transfer to the back, I would say that doesn't help. And yeah, maybe a smaller drum diameter takes a bit away from the contact patch.
Tires are brand new firehawks, 255 wide at 30psi.
But, they took serpentine belt dressing and sprayed it on the tires and drums and it didn't slip on the following run.
This shop is holding a dyno day this weekend with some 1000+ hp cars expecting to show up, and they hook up I guess.