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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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clutch problem?

ok just set my motor back in yesterday,put a brand new clutch kiit in,went to put er in gear,no pressure on the pedal.i seen some air in the line and bled it for like a hour and it won't come out.anyone know of a better or simpler way to get the air out of my clutch line?
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Does anyone know?i did a search and seems like i put everything in right,must just be air.
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 03:39 PM
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dont worry about the pedal feeling soft until after the clutch has seated
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SpitotRs305
dont worry about the pedal feeling soft until after the clutch has seated

ya but there is no pressure on the pedal,and i can't get it into gear.and start the car in gear and it drives away.i'm gonna try filling it up and leaving the cap off all night,mabey the air will come out
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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okay when you say you are seeing air in the line you are refering to the fluid res. correct? did you or anybody else actually remove the slave cylinder...whas the master cylinder push rod disconnected from the clutch pedal? cause if not and someone pushed it and i mean not even a full push you need a new hydraulic clutch. to check your hydraulic clutch for proper travel remove trans dust cover have someone depress clutch meassure the slave cylinder push rods travel as it engages the clutch fork it should be at least .57 of an inch
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 07:03 AM
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okay when you say you are seeing air in the line you are refering to the fluid res. correct? did you or anybody else actually remove the slave cylinder...whas the master cylinder push rod disconnected from the clutch pedal? cause if not and someone pushed it and i mean not even a full push you need a new hydraulic clutch. to check your hydraulic clutch for proper travel remove trans dust cover have someone depress clutch meassure the slave cylinder push rods travel as it engages the clutch fork it should be at least .57 of an inch

ok i'll check that then and get back to ya.the lil rod on the slave cylinder was out all the way and i had to push it back in to get it into the proper place on the clutch release fork.that shouldn't do anything right?like i said,it was just unhooked sat for a while and when i hooked it back up i have no pressure on the pedal.when i went under and had someone pump it for me i could see air bubbles and took the cap off and air was comming out the fill res.i hope its just air
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 07:40 AM
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sounds like it is just air. But you should still get some movment over at the slave. air will make it less, not 0.

But yeah, keep trying to blead it.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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sounds like it is just air. But you should still get some movment over at the slave. air will make it less, not 0.

But yeah, keep trying to blead it.

ok measured it,lots of movement in the slave,just no pressure on the pedel.got fed up gonna start from scatch,drained it all and refilled it and now the slave just don't move,so its definatly air,just need to get it out wish i could get a pump
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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hmmm... well I have read a few differnt ways about how to blead those things.

If all else fails, screw it, and get one off ebay that works. haha.

I wish I could help more, but i just don't remeber the T-5 setup very well. I just finished having to play around with my T-56 one.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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ok must be my slave cylinder,the rubber came off and a lil orange thing was out,its toast eh? guess i'll buy a new one and try that.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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not totally sure what the "little thing" was, haha. Take a pic and I bet I, or someone else can tell you.

The new stuff really isn't expensive. I agree with you, save yourself the stress and just get a new part and call it a day.

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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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ya thanx for the help anyway,just ordered one and won't be in till saturday so i'll wait till then try the new one and let you know.i'd take a pic but the slave is back on the car and in the garage for the night,mabey tomorrow i'll rip it off and get a pic.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 03:12 PM
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how much did it set you back?

I bend a slave plunger in my new hydros for my T-56 and had to get a new one. i was pretty pissed since for the T-56 it is all one unit. Almost $200 for mine.

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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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when you say no pressure on the clutch pedal do you mean that it isnt very firm or do you mean the thing is swinging in the wind?
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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its firm now,and sometimes when i'm bleeding it the pedal just swings in the wind,but when i try to put it into gear it won't go,like i said b4,behind the rubber on the slave,some lil orange thing came out,i slid it back into place still can't get any pressure.took everything apart disc,plate,bearing was all in right,the new pressure plate is a lil longer thought that might be it,put the old p plate back on and same ol same ol.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 04:00 PM
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try putting it in anyother gear but first or reverse. is there any fluid loss? what fluid are you using?
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SpitotRs305
try putting it in anyother gear but first or reverse. is there any fluid loss? what fluid are you using?

tryed every gear still won't go in,no fluid going down in the process,and i'm using dot 3 brake fluid lilke it says on the cover.when i had the slave off my buddy pressed the clutch pedal and thats when the orange thing came out,so must be the slave.
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 12:01 PM
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Ok my new slave cylinder that is comming will have a plastic clip holding in the plunger right? do i leave it on and let it break off when i start to bleed it?i'm just headding out now to put the new P plate back in be back i a lil while with a pic of that slave(orange thingy)
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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ok guys,buy the look of my two clutches i definitly have the wrong clutch.heres some pics for yas.on the flywheel side of the clutch disc's,the shaft length on my old one was 17mm and the new one was 10mm,so by my figuring if the shaft is shorter wouldn't take more to pull it off the F wheel?which explains why it wouldn't go into gear.i am so pissed,the guy at the auto parts store if getting a good peice of my mind.in case you want to know it was a Dyna Pacs clutch kit and heres the part # off the box it was in NU0056 or 15-4702-2
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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that friction plate and pressure plate are something out of an import...but it is odd says it fits all Z28's for 84...

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Old Nov 4, 2006 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SpitotRs305
that friction plate and pressure plate are something out of an import...but it is odd says it fits all Z28's for 84...
i know weird eh.my buddy got a 92 trans am and ordered the same clutch kit a month ago,his #'s on the box match mine too so its the same clutch.gonna jam the tranny back in this morning with the new C kit and try it with the new slave first.its only 20 min to take the tranny back out so i'll try that.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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Right on guys got er working new slave and she worked fine
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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good gotta love hydraulic clutchs..no maintance... gotta hate em cause you cant just fix'em gotta replace em... em...em..
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